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Alexander Grischuk vs Sergey Karjakin
Baku Grand Prix (2008), Baku AZE, rd 2, Apr-22
Semi-Slav Defense: Anti-Moscow Gambit (D44)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Apr-22-08  acirce: <A quick 19-move perpetual check in the game Grischuk-Karjakin was seen as a slap in the face by outraged FIDE representatives.>


Apr-22-08  Marmot PFL: Has the look of a prearranged game.
Apr-22-08  Augalv: If it was a prearranged game as you suggest Marmot, why did Grischuk take so long for the moves?
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  tamar: Nothing wrong in White taking a bail-out draw early.

The uproar is why top chessplayers are so loath to accept any rules about draws whatever.

Should White choose a more fighting move than perpetual when he feels his position is becoming worse?

Apr-22-08  Marmot PFL: <Augalv> Maybe he didn't want to make it too obvious.

<tamar> Questions like that have been debated in chess for years. I would favor changing the scoring instead, to make a win count for more than twice a draw, as I believe they do in hockey and soccer.

Apr-22-08  cannibal: Also from chessdom:
<Zurab Azmaiparashvili, who is acting as FIDE special adviser for Sofia rules, expressed his disappointment that there is no adequate legal framework for these rules as of yet. At the present, there is no way to stop players from making a threefold repetition.>

Well once there is, this could end in some bizarre scenarios, like:

Player: I claim a draw by threefold repetition.
Arbiter: That's allowed only if there's no reasonable way to play on. Player: Well, I don't see any.
Arbiter: Oh yeah?! How about (move xy)?
Player: Duh! Thanks man, now I'm winning.

Apr-23-08  minasina: this was live commentary, and "translation":
Apr-23-08  Marvol: I can't believe there's a discussion about this supposed 'quick draw' to avoid the rules.

To avoid the rules?!?!?!

Grischuk plays white, plays a razor-sharp variation... only because he wants a quick draw? That is the most ludicrous thing I have heard since one Bulgarian thought that some Russian player was cheating with a computer in his restroom in some match in Russia.

Since when are players not allowed to bail out with a perpetual if they feel they'd otherwise lose?

<This is turning into a witch-hunt.>

Apr-23-08  Marvol: Just saw the interview.

What Karjakin says makes me think Grischuk made the right choice. He analysed the position well at home and there was no way for Grischuk to know if after Nxe4 he wasn't just walking into a prepared win for black.

Asmai is BSting when he says that was 'playable'. That's easy for him to say with the luxury of a few chess engines running. Grischuk didn't have that luxury. Also to say 'you didn't analyse well, that is your fault, you should be forced to play on' is VERY much BS - even more so in the light of other discussions about whether or not opening analysis has too much influence in current chess.

This whole anti-draw thing is starting to look more and more ludicrous to me.

Apr-23-08  minasina: Translated live commentary with GM Sergei Shipov
Apr-23-08  cannibal: Azmaiparashvili is as stupid as a slice of bread, it just has to be said again and again.
Apr-24-08  shaunpress: We had this issue at the 2008 Doeberl Cup in Canberra, Australia (where I was the chief arbiter). The guideline we used was that in the case of a repetition "no player could be forced to play a move that left his position at a disadvantage". ie If best play by both sides was a repetition, that was acceptable. The one contentious case was last round, board 1, where the players repeated on move 10 in a position where opening theory showed a couple of other moves were just as good. We refused the claim, the game continued, and ended in a decisive result.
Apr-29-08  minasina: Rybka anlysis samples

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