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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Paris (1625), Rome ITA
King Pawn Game: La Bourdonnais Gambit (C40)  ·  1-0

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Jun-26-08  t3hPolak: I wonder who this individual was that Greco smashed, lol?
Jun-26-08  TommyC: Not quite <whiteshark> since Greco was born ten years later in 1600.
Jun-26-08
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  whiteshark: <TommyC> Holy smoke! Do you think that it's a <prenatal> game?
Jun-27-08  TommyC: Yes, <whiteshark>, yes I do.
Aug-10-08  just a kid: I think the losing move is 2...Qf6!
Oct-10-08  AhmetMTF: Let me leave my first, rather simple, comment on this game: If Kxg4 or Kh4: Qh3++ or if Kh6: Nf7++ (The second one is cooler.)
Oct-10-08  DarthStapler: Greco must have been the greatest player of all time - he never lost a game :p
Oct-11-08  GannonKnight: Greco really must have NN's number.
Feb-12-09
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  eternaloptimist: LOL! :D, :D ... :D The moral of this story is don't move out your Q too early in the game (unless there is a very good reason for doing so). <GannonKnight: Greco really must have NN's number.> LOL! Actually, it means: "Nescio Nomen, a Latin phrase meaning name unknown. It has been customary to use N.N. for the given name of an unknown person". I used chess.com's definition for NN.
Oct-22-09  Wayne Proudlove: I think I may have found what I'm looking for in these games of Greco's and plan to spend a week or so of serious analysis on them and will surely come out of the experience a much stronger player.
Jul-14-10
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  Bishoprick: NN lived a really long time, possibly longer than Noah. Everyone had his number, and he may never have won a game. Very sad. :-(
Jul-14-10  zanshin: <Bishoprick> MM won quite a few games:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Jul-14-10  zanshin: <MM won quite a few games>

Make that NN.

Sep-05-10  gented87: there's nothing worse than 2...Qf6 !!
Nov-16-10  David2009: High-class defence by NN (5...Ke7 avoiding 5...Kxf7?). The ever-resilent EGT prefers 5...Kd8 6.Nxe5 Ne7 7.d4 Nbc6 8.Nxc6+ Qxc6 to reach


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Against a human player I would play on, against the EGT I am happy to rest on my laurels - for now. Crafty End Game Trainer link to the earlier position (White to play move 5): http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... Enjoy playing and beating the EGT - if you can!

Nov-15-11  AnalyzeThis: 2.... Qf6 isn't wonderful, but it might be a ballgame if you play 3... d6 and 4.... Be6, instead of moving your queen every change you get.
Jan-24-12  Knight13: The real mistake is 4. Qxe4??
Apr-06-12  kontoleon: he takes 4 opening move to hit a pawn! how deference chess is now...
Sep-15-14  Bronder: Black's third move betrays that we are looking at a game from about 400 years ago.
Sep-15-14
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  perfidious: Hard to believe that this trashy opening was repeated as late as S Sokolov vs I Semenov, 1987, in which White played 7.Nxe5 and racked up another speedy victory.
Sep-15-14
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  Mating Net: <Black's third move betrays that we are looking at a game from about 400 years ago> True, and I would sanction Black's second move in the same manner as well. We should be thankful to the pioneers of yesterday for showing us how not to play.
Oct-24-14  The17thPawn: So is this Greco's Father playing as he was not yet born or just a game falsely attributed to him?
Jul-15-15  Asabovsobelo: I've read that some people believe Greco composed all his games and that there is no No Name. If this is true I don't see it taking away from his accomplishments. His games are still a lot of fun to check out.
Jan-18-16  Christoforus Polacco: Another trap : 4.d3 Q:g2 ? 5.B:f7+ ... 90 % short games terminated by big error of one player which we can find in books for begginers THERE ARE games of brilliant Greco versus NN :) <whiteshark> original moves of Greco are better, more consequent. Bishop on 'f7' is decoy for black king. The white's attack is faster when black king goes to 'f7' - not go back 'd8'. Maybe this is almost the same after : Bc1-Bg5+ but I like elegance of Greco's moves.
Apr-09-17  Yigor: A terrible play by NN though 2...Qf6 is now called Greco defense. 4... Qxe4 is the critical mistake.
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