Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Loek van Wely vs Alexey Shirov
Aerosvit (2008), Foros UKR, rd 1, Jun-08
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange. Classical Variation (D86)  ·  0-1



explore this opening
find similar games 37 more Van Wely/Shirov games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can display posts in reverse order, by registering a free account then visiting your preferences page and checking the option "Display newest kibitzes on top."

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
Jun-08-08  suenteus po 147: Good start here for Shirov, though someone posted earlier that Van Wely blundered somewhere.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Peligroso Patzer: The endgame is certainly difficult for white, but resignation after 41. ... a5 seems premature.
Jun-08-08  crwynn: It's a time-control resignation; White's position is more than "difficult". Black will be 3 pawns up in fairly short order, since the a pawn is perfectly safe on a4 - if White trades his knight for the bishop and pawn, the rook ending is trivial.
Jun-08-08  dumbgai: Why does Van Wely keep getting invites to strong tournaments? When was the last time he actually won a tournament? I can understand Corus, since that's in his home country, but personally I'd rather see one of the many young GMs get a chance. Van Wely is going to be down in the 2645 range in the next rating list, well below that of many more deserving players.
Premium Chessgames Member
  egilarne: Chessbase says that 23-Rxc1? was wrong, and that 23-Nxc1 was necessary.

Chessbase also thinks that after 25.Qxc6 instead of 25-Qxc6? the move 25-Qxd3 wins directly, among other because of the threat 26-Rc8.

Jun-08-08  messachess: Well, this looks like the Shirov of old: sharp play in the sharpest of openings. But, it's against Van Wely. Shirov still has the talent. We'll see. Nice start.
Jun-08-08  whiteshark: <40.g5+> is hoping for <40...Kg7 41.Ne6+ Kh8 42.Rc8+ Be8 42.Rxe8#>
Jun-08-08  popski: I really wish to see Shirov on the top of this tournament. He is the most entertainment player in the world beside Morozevich.
Jun-08-08  shintaro go: Any alternatives for 20. c6?
Jun-09-08  Eyal: <shintaro go: Any alternatives for 20. c6?>

Position after 19...Red8:

click for larger view

Black seems to be threatening here Nc6-Nd4, which would be very awkward for White in view of the placement of his pieces. For example, if White doesn't do anything immediate to counter this maneuver, Bc4 wouldn't help after Nc6 because of an exchange of bishops followed by Rd2. 20.Rd1 Nc6 21.Bc4 loses to 21...Bxc4 22.Rxc4 Qa5 23.Bc1 Nb4! (or 23.Rc3 Rxd1+ 24.Qxd1 Nd4!); 20.Qd1 can be countered by 20...Nc4 or Bxa2.

So 20.c6 was possibly aimed against an immediate Nc6, but as it turned out didn't really help in the longer run; a better alternative might have been 20.Bc1, e.g. 20...Bxc1 21.Nxc1 Nc6 22.Qe2 Nd4 23.Qe3.

Jun-09-08  Marmot PFL: Some Dutch company must be putting up lots of money to get Van Wely into all these top level events.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Mateo: <egilarne: Chessbase says that 23-Rxc1? was wrong, and that 23-Nxc1 was necessary. Chessbase also thinks that after 25.Qxc6 instead of 25-Qxc6? the move 25-Qxd3 wins directly, among other because of the threat 26-Rc8.> That's right. 25...Qxd3 26.Ng3 (26.Nc3? Rc8, Black wins the Knight. 26.Rc1? Qxe2.) Rc8, Black wins.
Jun-12-08  aazqua: Trading down to a r+b versus r+n engame with pawns on both wings was suicidal for white.

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
  8. Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
AdrianP's Bookmarked Games (2008)
by AdrianP
Grunfeld emotions 2
by Yopo
gyan123's favorite games
by gyan123
my favorite grunfeld games
by asaf94

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2023, Chessgames Services LLC