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Peter Svidler vs Magnus Carlsen
Aerosvit (2008), Foros UKR, rd 2, Jun-09
Queen's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Nimzowitsch Variation (E15)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jun-09-08
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  Mateo: So here we are. Hou played 17...Ne7 and Kamsky 17...0-0. Both drew.
Jun-09-08  SetNoEscapeOn: <madlydeeply: So why can Svidler handle Carlsen but Ivanchuk can't? More solid style I suppose.>

Well, you can't read so madly deeply based on such a small number of games :)

Jun-09-08
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  Mateo: The simple 17...dxe3 could also be considered.
Jun-09-08
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  vonKrolock: black returns the ♙ achieving a balance in both forerunners quoted above by <mateo>... (retrospectivelly, Gelfand won Leko with 14.♘h4, but that had nothing to do with the opening)
Jun-09-08
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  Mateo: They follow Sargissian-Hou.
Jun-09-08
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  Eyal: <Mateo: So here we are. Hou played 17...Ne7 and Kamsky 17...0-0.>

In fact, both games transpose immediately into each other after that and really part company only on move 21: 17.e3 Ne7 18.Nxe7 Bxe7 19.exd4 O-O 20.dxc5 bxc5 21.Rac1 <Rb8> in G Sargissian vs Yifan Hou; 17...O-O 18.exd4 Ne7 19.Nxe7+ Bxe7 20.dxc5 bxc5 21.Rac1 <a5> in Cheparinov vs Kamsky.

Jun-09-08
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  vonKrolock: maybe d4-d5 now if white is playing to win
Jun-09-08
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  Chessgames Bookie: You have about 5 minutes left to try to predict the result of this game: Aerosvit Rd 2: Svidler vs Carlsen: MIDDGAME BETTING. Good luck!
Jun-09-08
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  Eyal: 20...Bxc5 would be bad for Black becasue of 21.b4 Be7 22.Rac1.
Jun-09-08
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  vonKrolock: <20.d4-d5> Zagrebelni also thought about this move <<Не знаю, может, Свидлер имеет ввиду 20.d5, рассчит&- #1099;вая на силу проходн&- #1086;й>> chesspro.ru :) - Well, everyone can see the move before trying to translate the comment...
Jun-09-08  waustad: chessok gives 21. Rab1 here.
Jun-09-08
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  vonKrolock: following Sargissian-Hou, that's already another game, and quite boring... In that game, black drew easily exchanging his 'b7' ♗ for white's ♘ etc
Jun-09-08
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  Mateo: In this kind of position, the better pawn structure for White is slightly more important than Black's Bishop pair. So small edge for Svidler.
Jun-09-08  Mulyahnto: Chessdom also has Rab1 here...
Jun-09-08  waustad: Here is what they have now on Chessdom:

21.Rac1 Initially 21.Rab1 was translated.

Jun-09-08  TheBB: Qe6 now?
Jun-09-08
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  Eyal: OK, so with <21...a5> we're now <really> following I Cheparinov vs Kamsky, 2008 rather than the other game...
Jun-09-08  acirce: <Kamsky called it "kind of a forced line" [they had followed the recent game Sargissian-Hou Yifan, Mérida 2008 until 21.Rac1 – PD] and after 21…a5 it wasn't so easy for White to get an advantage." Shipov liked this pawn move, a novelty, which solved Black's opening problems immediately. "By advancing the pawn the American GM destroyed the queenside and got excellent counterplay. I couldn't find any improvements for White afterwards."> http://baku2008.fide.com/round-11-w...
Jun-09-08  malthrope: ...and Draw! :)
Jun-09-08  percyblakeney: So it's drawn without one new move, Svidler sure didn't get much out of this, good result for Carlsen.
Jun-09-08  Mulyahnto: I guess it's a draw ?!
Jun-09-08  minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/foros-aeros... with GM Vladimir Dimitrov

http://online.crestbook.com/foros08... with GM Sergei Shipov in Russian; "translated": (without board): http://translate.google.com/transla... may need instant reload

http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... with GM Sergey Zagrebelny in Russian; ..."translated" (without functioning board): http://google.com/translate?u=http%... may need instant reload

Jun-09-08
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  whiteshark: <22.b3> and draw ??
Jun-09-08
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  whiteshark: Look at the board:


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it's full, only ♘♘♙♙♙ were exchanged.

Jun-09-08  Ulhumbrus: 20...Bxc5 invites 21 Rac1 eg 21...Bc6 22 b4 Bxb4 23 Ne5
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