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Magnus Carlsen vs Evgeny Alekseev
Aerosvit (2008), Foros UKR, rd 6, Jun-13
Queen's Indian Defense: Opocensky Variation (E17)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jun-13-08  awfulhangover: Alekseev played the last move, so he offered a draw. Magnusfobia.
Jun-13-08  iron maiden: Alekseev could choose to play for the full point here, but he's been in the playing hall with Carlsen for the last five days and knows that the position is not without risk for Black, and that any mistakes he might make would probably be punished relentlessly. Carlsen is reaping the rewards of his ominous start to the tournament. At seventeen, he may already be starting to establish an aura of intimidation.
Jun-13-08  square dance: "magnusfobia" is the word of the day. well done, <awfulhangover>.
Jun-13-08
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  SwitchingQuylthulg: <Eyal: What he "found" is mainly that Alexeev is afraid of him or not very ambitious.>

Exactly. How many other people would have the genius to find that? I'm sure I for one would have been unable to get a draw offer out of him...

Jun-13-08  Xaurus: From the Aerosvit homepage:

"Carlsen – Alekseev
À calm line of the Queen’s Indian Defence. 14.b4 is an unexpected pawn sacrifice, which is also a novelty. It is not clear what Carlsen has in mind. Instead of 16.Nd4 White could have sacrificed an exchange: 16.Rxb7 Nxb7 17.Ne5 with some uncertain compensation. In the game Carlsen also had some compensation for the pawn after 18.Qb1!, and accepted opponent’s draw agreement after 18….a5. As Carlsen explained after the game, when playing 14.b4?! he just missed a move 15…Nc5!."

Jun-13-08  Vollmer: At the ending position CM9000 'thought' that the score was -0.3 to -0.4 and selected Nf5 for White and after Qe6 selected Be5 , but I think its time to play with the remaining Rook . I agree that Mr. Alexeev took an easy draw and who can blame him ... Mr. Carlsen is on fire .
Jun-13-08  ajile: 16..g5!? looks wild.

16..g5
17.Be5 f6!?

I don't have my board but this looks interesting for Black.

Jun-13-08  notyetagm: <beenthere240: I wonder who offered the draw? Carlson? "Well, my game is a bust, so I'll give you a draw.">

Yes, it seems that <FEAR OF CARLSEN> lead Alekseev to bail out. No way he would have offered -me- a draw in that position.

Jun-13-08  notyetagm: <Xaurus: From the Aerosvit homepage:

"Carlsen – Alekseev
À calm line of the Queen’s Indian Defence. 14.b4 is an unexpected pawn sacrifice, which is also a novelty. It is not clear what Carlsen has in mind. Instead of 16.Nd4 White could have sacrificed an exchange: 16.Rxb7 Nxb7 17.Ne5 with some uncertain compensation. In the game Carlsen also had some compensation for the pawn after 18.Qb1!, and accepted opponent’s draw agreement after 18….a5. <<<As Carlsen explained after the game, when playing 14.b4?! he just missed a move 15…Nc5!.>>>">

Amazing, chess genius Carlsen overlooked a simple 4-ply sequence: 14 b2-b4?! c5xb4 15 ♖c3-c7 ♘d7-c5!.

White to play: 14 ?


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14 b2-b4?! c5xb4 15 ♖c3-c7 ♘d7-c5!


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Damn shame that Alekseev chickened out and offered a draw. Carlsen would have had to launch a -FURIOUS- kingside attack to make up for the 2-1 <QUEENSIDE MAJOIRITY> that he gifted Black with 14 b2-b4?!. But like Capablanca said, the good player is always lucky.

Jun-13-08  arnaud1959: <Damn shame that Alekseev chickened out and offered a draw> Don't forget that 2 rounds ago he had the same kind of "advantage" against VW and he lost badly.
Jun-13-08  tonsillolith: No surprise here from Magnus Drawlsen...
Jun-13-08  Augalv: <Damn shame that Alekseev chickened out and offered a draw>

Alekseev's draw offer was really disappointing.

Jun-13-08  minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/foros-aeros... with GM Vladimir Dimitrov

http://online.crestbook.com/foros08... with GM Sergei Shipov in Russian; "translated": (without board): http://translate.google.com/transla... may need reloading

Jun-13-08  minasina: Shipov "translated": <14.b4 impressive shot! New! Rook rushes to s7. Here's to you and a young, naive player>
Jun-13-08
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  whiteshark: Are there better moves than <14.Qc2 Bf6 15.Ra3 Re8 16.Rd1 Nb6 17.e4! > ?


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Jun-13-08  Atking: You know I'm not working with a program (I should buy one. May I'm an old resilitient man) Coul you explain your line (Interesting) a bit more <whiteshark> 0n 17...Rxe4 Do you mean 18.Ng5? I was thinking on a minor sacrifice 18...BxNg5 19.BxRe4 BxBf4 20.gxBf4 Qh4 or more prosaically 18...a5 for 19...a4 and 20...Nc4? Else someone could explain why in the game, 18...Na4 is such wonderfull move. Clearly an interesting one but is White's position without ressource? Let say 19.Nf5 Bc5 20.Be5 or 20.Bd6 eventually an ugly 20.Bh3. Thank you!
Jun-14-08  Pawn Ambush: I know in this type of position blacks has to watch for Nf5 by white that move can cause all kind of headaches.

If black survives the positional pressure and possible kingside attack his QSM gives real good winning chances.

It'll be real cool if these two guys decide to play this game out at some future date.

Jun-14-08
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  whiteshark: <Atking: .. Coul you explain your line (Interesting) a bit more 0n 17...Rxe4 Do you mean 18.Ng5? I was thinking on a minor sacrifice 18...BxNg5 19.BxRe4 BxBf4 20.gxBf4 Qh4 or more prosaically 18...a5 for 19...a4 and 20...Nc4?>

<17.e4> at the right time is always an oppotunity in this positions to get a superiority in the center and on the kingside.

In your line <17...Rxe4 18.Ng5 Bxg5 19.Bxe4 Bxf4 20.gxf4 Qh4> I would play <20.Bxh7+ Kf8 21.gxf4> as it prevents 21...Qh4 due to 22.Qxc5+.

Jun-14-08  notyetagm: <Augalv: <Damn shame that Alekseev chickened out and offered a draw> Alekseev's draw offer was really disappointing.>

Yes, this game would have been a -HELLUVA- battle between Alekseev's <QUEENSIDE PAWN MAJORITY> and Carlsen's kingside attack, supported by the strong White f5-knight.

Jun-14-08  notyetagm: <square dance: "magnusfobia" is the word of the day. well done, <awfulhangover>.>

LOL

Not to nitpick but shouldn't that be "Magnusphobia"? :-)

Jun-14-08  Splittet: Missing Nc5 was part of the reason why Magnus accepted the draw of course. He probably felt calculation was going too well, and maybe a little bit tired after those long games earlier in the tournament. I just think he wasn't sure he would play his best chess. If he had felt confident he would, I guess he would probably play on. I think he made the correct decision though, and I guess the mature one. Some pragmatism should be shown.
Jun-14-08  Atking: Thanks <whiteshark> <In your line <17...Rxe4 18.Ng5 Bxg5 19.Bxe4 Bxf4 20.gxf4 Qh4> I would play <20.Bxh7+ Kf8 21.gxf4> as it prevents 21...Qh4 due to 22.Qxc5+.> It's not my line It supposed to be your. I just tried to understand a bit more. My own evaluation after <20.gxBf4 Qh4> was a bit better for White with some counterchance for Black. White can give up the pawn f4 as Ra3 is objectively stronger than Nb6 (Else your answer <20.Bxh7+ Kf8 21.gxf4> gives an opportunity for that Why not 20...Kh8? then g6 to trap the Bishop. g file is open for Black here). Do you have an analysis of 17...a5? This move is clever too. The kind of move that Carlsen could have play. Just in blindefold (I could miss a piece) 18.exd Nxd5 19.Ng5 BxNg5 20.BxNd5 BxBd5 21.R3d3 BxBf4 22.RxBd5 Re1+ <<17.e4> at the right time is always an oppotunity in this positions to get a superiority in the center and on the kingside.> Yes I can understand that myself. At first sight the picture looks very pleasant for White. No doubt that your suggestion is interesting but I was asking for concrete line. I mean the position you gave is clearly the beginning of something. Thanks in advance!
Jun-16-08  notyetagm: <Splittet: Missing Nc5 was part of the reason why Magnus accepted the draw of course. He probably felt calculation was going too well, and maybe a little bit tired after those long games earlier in the tournament. I just think he wasn't sure he would play his best chess. If he had felt confident he would, I guess he would probably play on. I think he made the correct decision though, and I guess the mature one. Some pragmatism should be shown.>

Carlsen should have -DECLINED- the draw offer by Alekseev. That would have scared the hell out of the Russian. :-)

Jun-16-08  Pjalle: notyetagm, you are probably right but magnus was down on time and he pretty much botched the opening, would have been foolish of him to push it further. Magnus is good but he isn't superman, part of succeeding in chess is to know when to offer or accept a draw. Anand and Kramnik are good at this. I guess it's one of the benifits of being a feared top player, opponents will offer or accept draws even in positions where they are clearly having the upper hand.
Jun-16-08  notyetagm: <Pjalle: notyetagm, you are probably right but magnus was down on time and he pretty much botched the opening, would have been foolish of him to push it further. Magnus is good but he isn't superman, part of succeeding in chess is to know when to offer or accept a draw. Anand and Kramnik are good at this. I guess it's one of the benifits of being a feared top player, opponents will offer or accept draws even in positions where they are clearly having the upper hand.>

No, I understand that. I just would have loved to have seen Alekseev's face if Carlsen had turned down his draw offer.

Alekseev: I am better but afraid so I offer you a draw.

Carlsen: No thanks, I am going to mate your king.

Alekseev: Oh @#$%!

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