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Arkadij Naiditsch vs Vladimir Kramnik
"Petroffied Wood" (game of the day Jul-28-2008)
Dortmund Sparkassen (2008), Dortmund GER, rd 3, Jul-01
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Chigorin Variation (C42)  ·  1-0

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Jul-03-08  Jim Bartle: My mistake, Mich, sorry.

What I should have written was: "Adorjan wrote that Kasparov was furious about his team's missing..."

Jul-03-08  MichAdams: I suspected as much. You are excused.

Jul-03-08  vanytchouck: Admitting that Kasparov may have founded the idea of Qd2 doesn't take credit off Naidistch's achievment.

We all know that it can happen that several players studying the same line can independantly find the same move. We can even say that all the novelties must have already been played in the amateur level (with or without the good idea).

As the credit of a novelty is allways given to who actually is the first to play it on the board, there is absolutly no polemic here.

It's not as if kasparov's said "19.Qd2 is a move that i've found in 1999 and that i gave to Naiditsch"

I still haven't saw another example of Kasparov claiming to have already found a winning novelty play in a big tournament...

Jul-03-08  Abejorral: Amazing, how after draw master Kramnik went out for a short draw on his closed petrof, and even offered a draw on move 15, and he gets smashed like this.

This have to happen more often, to punish chickens like Kramnik.

Jul-03-08  Whack8888: Kasparov should come out of retirement -- without chess he is just an embarrassment!
Jul-03-08
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  chancho: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/mai...
Jul-04-08  PinnedPiece: As far as Kasparov's commentary about the game played here, it seems to me the most fair interpretation is that he paid Naiditsch a complement, even perhaps insinuating that this move might have beaten him as well!

So much for Kasparov's comment.

Jul-04-08  Kaspablanca: I have a question for the Kramnik haters/bashers. Do you want all his games be decisive, i.e. without draws? If you see all players database you`ll see most of their games are draws, so is simply chidish attitude to expect that Kramnik always play for a decisive game. Imagine if Kramnik wins this tournament or what is worse for the bashers; if he beats Anand in their match, they would die by a heart attack!
Jul-04-08  PinnedPiece: <Abejorral: Amazing, how after draw master Kramnik went out for a short draw on his closed petrof, and even offered a draw on move 15>

You've been repeating this frequently, I think it is time to cite hard evidence.

Jul-04-08  abcpokerboy: <Kaspablanca>, I don't think anyone would die of a heart attack if Kramnik wins this tournament. Perhaps sleeping sickness...
Jul-04-08  Kaspablanca: believe me abcpokerboy, the kramnik bashers simply cant stand Kramnik wins.
Jul-05-08  percyblakeney: According to GM Landa at Chesspro 19. Qd2 was found by Naiditsch's second Pavasovic.

http://chesspro.ru/_events/2008/dor...

Jul-08-08
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  Eyal: <According to GM Landa at Chesspro 19. Qd2 was found by Naiditsch's second Pavasovic.>

So says Naiditsch himself, and also that it was just a day before the game (http://www.chessvibes.com/coverstor...).

Jul-19-08  myschkin: http://origin.denverpost.com/ci_984...
Jul-22-08  yalie: Smirnov and Neelotpal Das played this same line today with 19.Qd2 and 19..Qxe5. Though Smirnov didnt play the critical 21. Re1, he still won.
Jul-28-08
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  whiteshark: <If you think the Petrov Defense is a boring opening, that's only because you don't play it correctly.>

See excellent Game Collection: The Cutthroat Petrov

Jul-28-08  JG27Pyth: Great game! Lame kibitzing!

...Ahh the terrible and pathetic sound of midgets furiously biting at the toes of giants.

Jul-28-08
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  kevin86: In a normally passive opening,white manages an attack.

It looked like black was never able to get into this one. Zugzwang is a b.... when you are up against it.

Jul-28-08
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  Once: Doubly fascinating - a well played game by Naiditsch and the kibitzing unfolding as the game progresses. It's is like reading two intertwined stories - like The French Lieutenant's Woman or the English Patient.

Shame about some of the off-topic kibitzing, but I guess you can't have everything.

In the final position, presumably the finish is 43. Rxe7 Rxe7 44. Qd6 Re8 45. Qd7 and black must lose a piece. 42. ... Rxd7 43. Qxd7 transposes.

Aug-10-08  randzo: Actually 10.Nxd4 was played in Radjabov:Gashimov Grand Prix Sochi 2008.And Gashimov drew without any problems maybe he has better position.and i think Nxd4 is very better move because white has doubled pawns and no compesation for it i think that Kramnik will adopt it.
Oct-13-08
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  Open Defence: Malcolm Pein's column

<(19...Qxe5 appears to lose 20.Qb4+ Kg8 21.Ne7+ Kf8 22.Ng6+ Kg8 23.Nxe5 but Black has an unlikely defence, he can expose his king on the central files and survive after 19...Qxe5! 20.Qb4+ Ke8! 21.Re1 Ne2+ 22.Kf1 Rc8! 23.f4 Qxd5 24.Rxe2+ Kd7 25.Rd2 Rc5 26.Rxd5+ Rxd5 27.Qb3 Kd6 28.Qb4+ Ke6 29.Qe4+ Kd6 30.Qb4+ =)> but what is wrong with 21.Qxb5+ ?

Oct-27-09  BadKnight: I love to see Kramnik getting petroffied. When will Kramnik again start playing for win with black?
Feb-09-11  TheOutsider: Why no Qxe5???

What was Kramnik thinking?

Nov-27-13  Sularus: <TheOutsider> If 19. ... Qxe5 then

20. Qb4+ Kg8 (If Ke8, then Re1)
21. Ne7 Kf8
22. Ng6+

Sep-26-15  apexin: I remember watching this game live. Great achievement by Naidisch, beating this ultra-solid defense in style.
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