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|Dec-07-16|| ||ajile: This looks like a good solution to annoy your local French opening player.|
|Dec-07-16|| ||offramp: <ajile: This looks like a good solution to annoy your local French opening player.>|
Yes. Fischer, who did not get on well against the standard French, played this. Mainly when he was young, but also when he was ascending Rum-Doodle:
Fischer vs Panno, 1970
|Dec-07-16|| ||Ironmanth: I'm not a great enough player to provide cogent analysis, at least without more time over morning coffee, though it seemed to me on first play-through that Black's Qd7 somehow looked wrong; the queen ends up dying there. Great attack by Julian!|
|Dec-07-16|| ||ossipossi: <offramp> well well well, not actually. The Julian Calendar takes its name from Rome dictator Julius Caesar himself (46 BCE), it was revised by Papa Gregorius XIII (1582 CE). As regards Imperator (et philosophus) Flavius Claudius Julianus (330-363 CE),he was the last pagan emperor. If we can use expressions like "CE" and "BCE", we owe in part to him.|
|Dec-07-16|| ||Honza Cervenka: Instead of 16...Bd8 it was better to play 16...Bf8. Then 17.d4 Nh5! or 17.Nxh6+ gxh6 18.Qxf6 Nxd3 19.Rxe8 Rxe8 20.Bxh6 Bxh6 21.Qxh6 d4! gives black playable game.|
|Dec-07-16|| ||catlover: <offramp> This emperor came to be known as "Julian the Apostate" because he eventually gave up chess and took up checkers.|
|Dec-07-16|| ||kevin86: Nice game knight seems to point everywhere.|
|Dec-07-16|| ||JSYantiss: Am I missing something? What's the follow-up for 27...Kf8...|
|Dec-07-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi JSYantiss,
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27...Kf8 28.Re7 Qxe7 29.Nxe7 Kxe7 and under normal circumstances Black has enough for the Queen to fight on but then White has the Queen fork 30.Qh7 hitting the now unprotected g7 Bishop and the d3 Knight. That looks terminal.
27...Kf8 28.Rh6 also looks like a shot but no need to go there, 28.Re7 is good enough, that looks all forced.
|Dec-07-16|| ||JSYantiss: Thank you, <Sally Simpson>. Guess I need more practice if I missed that one.|
|Dec-07-16|| ||newzild: <JSYantiss> <Sally Simpson>|
White also has the simple 27. Rxb6, leaving him up by an exchange and two pawns.
|Mar-23-19|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Hodgson probably foresaw the possibility of the Knight sacrifice as soon as Black played 11...exd5. I would have played 11...Nxd5 even if objectively inferior--never could tolerate a Knight on f5.|
|Mar-23-19|| ||al wazir: Why didn't black play 23...Rxh6 ?
If 24. Qxh6 (24. Bxh6 Nxe1 25. Rxe1 Bf6) Nxe1 25. Rxe1 Bc7, white is a ♙ up, but I don't see a mate threat.
|Mar-23-19|| ||ChessHigherCat: After playing around with Nh6 for a while, I saw it had to be Nxg7, if for no other reason than if black threatens the queen, white can always play NxR and threaten Black's queen. Also, Qxh6 looks like a very strong move.|
So I quickly got the first couple moves but then fizzled out.
Conclusion: Damn dat Hodgson guy good!
|Mar-23-19|| ||Walter Glattke: Al Wazir, I think for 24.Bxh6 Nxe1 25.Rxe1 Bf6, and then 26.Bh3 Qd8 27.Be6! bishop sac. 27.-fxe6 28.Qg6+ Kh8 29.Rxe6 d4 30.Rxf6 Qxf6 31.Qxf6+ and mate next. 27.-Qe8 28.Qg6+ Kh8 29.Qxf6+, so, what playing, e.g. 26.-Qxh3!? should win for white either. But a good defense, only Be6! is stronger then.|
|Mar-23-19|| ||mel gibson: I knew that Knight on f5 had to move
and take either of the pawns in front of the King.
Stockfish 10 says:
(17. Nxg7 (♘f5xg7 ♘e5-f3+ ♕f4xf3
♖e8xe1 ♘g7-f5 ♕c7-c8 ♘f5xh6+ ♔g8-h7 ♕f3-f4 ♕c8-d7 ♕f4-g5 ♗b7-c8 c3-c4
♕d7-e8 ♘h6-f5 ♗c8xf5 ♕g5xf5+ ♔h7-g7 ♗g2-f3 ♖a8-a7 c4xd5 ♖e1-e5 ♕f5-h3
♕e8-h8 ♕h3xh8+ ♔g7xh8 ♘f1-e3 ♖a7-d7 b2-b3 ♖e5xd5 ♗f3xd5 ♘f6xd5 ♗c1-b2+
♔h8-h7 ♖a1-d1 ♔h7-g6 ♔g1-f1 ♘d5xe3+ f2xe3 f7-f5 ♔f1-f2 ♗d8-f6 ♗b2xf6 ♔g6xf6
h2-h4) +2.75/38 157)
score for White +2.75 depth 38.
|Mar-23-19|| ||goodevans: <al wazir: Why didn't black play 23...Rxh6 ? |
If 24. Qxh6 (24. Bxh6 Nxe1 25. Rxe1 Bf6) Nxe1 25. Rxe1 Bc7, white is a ♙ up, but I don't see a mate threat.>
White can quickly generate not one but two mate threats with the manoeuvre <26.Qg5+ Kf8 27.Qf6>. Black cannot counter both <28.Bh6+> and <28.Re7>.
|Mar-23-19|| ||jffun1958: Stockfish:
27...Kf8 28.Rh6 Qxf5 29.Qxf5 Bxh6 30.Bxd5 Bxd5 31.Qxd5 Re8 32.Qxd3
|Mar-23-19|| ||malt: Got as far as 17.N:g7 K:g7 18.Q:h6+ Kg8
19.Bf4 Nfg4 20.Qh5
|Mar-23-19|| ||Walter Glattke: goodevens, I see 3 mate threats with Qh8#, more difficulty with 25.-f6, I think.|
|Mar-23-19|| ||Momentum Man: Neat game! Black got in trouble from the opening by letting the beast night stay on his 4th rank.|
I think 26...Kd8 saves Black from disaster by giving back the minor piece. What do you guys think?
But he is still down at least a pawn with his queen's rook in exile. Not a fun position to play.
|Mar-23-19|| ||goodevans: <Walter Glattke> Yes, I missed that third mate threat. Definitely puts the nail in the coffin for that line.|
|Mar-23-19|| ||Diocletian: Looked like Monday Funday. 5 seconds.|
|Mar-23-19|| ||Breunor: 26 Kd8 doesn't save black, white plays Bxf6 ch and white is up a piece. Stockfish rates it as 6.55. |
27 Bxf6 ch Kc7
28 Re3 d4
29 Rxe6 fxe6
30 Bxb7 Kxb7
|Mar-23-19|| ||agb2002: Black threatens Nxd3.
White can try to exploit the weakneses of the black castle and the position of the black queen with 17.Nxg7:
A) 17... Kxg7 18.Qxh6+ Kg8 19. Bf4 (pins the knight and connects the rooks; 19.Qg5+ Ng6)
A.1) 19... d4 (to stop 20.d4) 20.Bxb7 Qxb7 21.Bxe5 + - [2P] (21... Ng4 22.Qg7#).
A.2) 19... Nfg4 20.Qh5
A.2.a) 20... Nf6 21.Qg5+ and 22.Bxe5 + - [2P].
A.2.b) 20... d4 21.Bxb7 Qxb7 22.Bxe5 as in A.1.
B) 17... Ng6 18.Nxe8 Nxf4 19.Nxc7 wins decisive material.
C) 17... Nxd3 18.Qxc7 Bxc7 19.Nxe8 Nxe8 (19... Nxe1 20.Nxf6+ wins a piece) 20.Re7 + - [R vs n].
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