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Sep-03-08 | | FHBradley: Magnus really is världens bästa Carlsen. Extremely impressive for a Norwegian, IMO. |
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Sep-03-08 | | Open Defence: would love to workshop this game |
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Sep-03-08 | | Orlin Burov: Världens bästa,yes.
Congrats MC!
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Sep-03-08 | | Hortensius: This one deserves to be in the "notable games" collection of Carlsen... |
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Sep-03-08 | | rogge: It will be, if enough people put the game in a game collection :) |
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Sep-03-08 | | acirce: <Hard to say what happened, but it appears Aronian just ran out of ideas once he had obtained a positional bind.> Yes. I thought Carlsen was about to get crushed, but at closer inspection it wasn't ever that bad. On ICC, "everyone" wanted 17.Nc4, the computer addicts as well as the GM's, but the question is how much White gets after Black gives the exchange as in <whiteshark>'s line. |
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Sep-03-08 | | Open Defence: actually "The Levon Daylights" would be a better pun |
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Sep-03-08
 | | Domdaniel: Or <The Levon Helm> ...? |
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Sep-03-08 | | Alphastar: The middlegame (2 knights versus 2 bishops) reminded me of this great game: Psakhis vs Speelman, 1987 |
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Sep-03-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Alphastar> Thanks - a great game between great players. To my shame, I've agreed draws in positions like the one Speelman reached, solely out of fear of Bishops. Episcophobia, I think it's called. |
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Sep-03-08
 | | kevin86: A funny game-first,it looked like white had a large advantage in space and momentum. Then the exchanges followed and black had a passed pawn in a tough queen ending (the volume of pawns opn both side being so important for black-one pawn vs nothing is a dead dog draw.) Finally,black abandons the passed pawn to go right for the throat-a mating attack. |
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Sep-03-08 | | ajile: I kept asking myself what's White's plan? Seemed to have some pressure then Black ends up with his nice a pawn on the q-side. Plus the whole 7.Nc2 idea seemed strange. This piece seems misplaced on this square. |
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Sep-03-08 | | DarthStapler: I swear I will eat my own hat if Carlsen never becomes world champion |
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Sep-03-08 | | twinlark: <Darth>
When would that become obvious? |
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Sep-03-08 | | DarthStapler: When he dies or drops off the top 100 |
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Sep-04-08 | | notyetagm: <metatron2: <notyetagm> Aronian didn't blunder, he was simply outplayed by Carlsen's amazing ability to concurrently combine the most accurate defense with a strong attack.
How many players in the world could actually hold the position resulted from the opening against Aronian? Not more then a handful I would say, but to win it?!> Is this the greatest game that Carlsen has won to date? |
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Sep-04-08 | | notyetagm: <kevin86: A funny game-first,it looked like white had a large advantage in space and momentum. Then the exchanges followed and black had a passed pawn in a tough queen ending (the volume of pawns opn both side being so important for black-one pawn vs nothing is a dead dog draw.) Finally,black abandons the passed pawn to go right for the throat-a mating attack.> Yes, Carlsen's <FLEXIBILITY OF THOUGHT> is astonishing. He gives up one plan as soon as a stronger plan becomes obvious to him, while patzers like me tend to stick with one plan until the bitter end. |
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Sep-04-08 | | notyetagm: <whiteshark: Labs output after <17.Nc4!>:> Yes, all the annotators point out that Aronian missed the *much* stronger continuation 17 ♘a3-c4!. |
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Sep-04-08 | | mrbasso: This game seems here a bit overestimated to me.
Carlsen snapped a pawn, luckily for him Aronian played several second best moves and he won. 29.Ra4 looks like an easy draw for white to me, or did I miss something? |
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Sep-20-08 | | Black Pawn: As "whiteshark" points out, 17.Nc4, may be a stronger move in the position after black's 16th move. The idea is to give a trap to the rook and win an Exchange, after the continuation 17...Rxe2, 18.Qd1 Ba6 19.Qxe2. |
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Feb-19-10 | | Mulyahnto: <mrbasso: This game seems here a bit overestimated to me.
Carlsen snapped a pawn, luckily for him Aronian played several second best moves and he won. 29.Ra4 looks like an easy draw for white to me, or did I miss something?> Wouldn't you say that interposing 29. Qc2+ as played is at least equally good or better than the immediate 29.Ra4?, as it follows: 29.Ra4 Qe1+ 30.Kg2 Rd1 |
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Nov-25-13 | | talwnbe4: 17. Nc4 Rxe2 18. Qd1 Ba6! 19. Qxe2 d5 (exchange sac) and the game is in dynamic balance. Fruit (computer engine) doesn't like 28. Qc2+ instead preferring 28. Ra4. Evaluation changes immediately to white losing after 28. Qc2+ ? losing a pawn. Longer analysis shows the game is even after 28. Ra4. 39... Qb4 is better than 39.. Qe5 48. Kh2? doesn't hold out as long as Qg8+. |
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Jun-02-16 | | cormier:  click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini d 26:
1. (-0.90): 30.Kg2 Rd1 31.Qxd1 fxg4 32.Qb1+ Qf5 33.e4 Qf3+ 34.Kg1 a5 35.Qa1 Qxe4 36.Qxa5 Kg7 37.Qc3+ Kh7 38.Qc7 Qb1+ 39.Kg2 Qf5 40.Kg1 h5 41.Qc1 Qd5 42.Qc2+ Kg7 43.Qb2+ f6 44.Qc2 Qd4 45.Kg2 Qe5 46.h4 Qd5+ 47.Kh2 e5 2. (-1.57): 30.Rh4 Qe1+ 31.Kg2 Rd1 32.Kf3 Rb1 33.Qc5 Qd1 34.Rc4 a5 35.Qd4 Qh1+ 36.Ke3 Rb3+ 37.Kd2 Rb5 38.Qf6 Qd5+ 39.Rd4 Qa2+ 40.Ke3 Qa3+ 41.Rd3 Qc1+ 42.Kf3 Qc6+ 43.Ke3 Qb6+ 44.Qd4 Qc7 45.Qf6 a4 46.f4 Rb3 47.Rxb3 axb3 48.Qb2 Qc4 49.Kd2 Kg6 50.e3 Qb4+ 51.Ke2 f6 52.Kd3 Qb6 53.Kd2 h5 54.Kd3 Qb4 |
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Jun-02-16 | | cormier:  click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini d 30:
1. = (0.00): 29.Ra4 Qb6 30.Qc3 Qb7 31.f3 f5 32.Rh4 Qb6+ 33.Kg2 Kg6 34.g4 Qd6 35.Qe3 f4 36.Qe4+ f5 37.gxf5+ exf5 38.Rg4+ Kf6 39.Rxf4 Qc5 40.Qc4 Qxc4 41.Rxc4 Re8 42.Kf2 a5 43.Rh4 Kg7 44.Rc4 Kf6 45.Rh4 2. (-0.40): 29.Kg2 Qd5+ 30.Qxd5 Rxd5 31.Rb4 Kg6 32.Rb7 a5 33.Ra7 Rd2 34.Kf3 Ra2 35.g4 a4 36.h4 a3 37.h5+ Kg5 38.Kg3 f5 39.f4+ Kf6 40.gxf5 Kxf5 41.Rxf7+ Ke4 42.Re7 Kd5 43.Ra7 Kc4 44.Kf3 Kb3 45.Rb7+ Ka4 46.Ra7+ Kb4 47.Rb7+ Kc3 48.Ra7 Kb4 49.Rb7+ |
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Sep-20-18 | | cormier:  click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4
<d 30 dpa done 1. = (0.00): 29.Ra4> Qb6 30.Qc3 Rd5 31.Qxf6 Rf5 32.Qd4 Qxd4 33.Rxd4 Ra5 34.Kg2 Ra2 35.Kf3 a5 36.Ke3 a4 37.Rd6 a3 38.Ra6 Kg7 39.Kd3 h5 40.f4 Kf6 41.Ra5 Kg6 42.Rg5+ Kf6 43.Ra5 Kg6 d 29 dpa done 2. = / + (-0.44): 29.Kg2 Qd5+ 30.Qxd5 Rxd5 31.Rc4 Kg6 32.Rg4+ Rg5 33.Ra4 a5 34.Kf3 h5 35.Ke3 Rd5 36.Rh4 f5 37.Rc4 Kf6 38.f3 Rb5 39.Rh4 Rb3+ 40.Kd2 Kg6 41.Ra4 Rb5 42.Kc3 Rc5+ 43.Kd3 Kf6 44.Rh4 Kg5 45.e3 Rd5+ |
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