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Vassily Ivanchuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Grand Slam Chess Final (2008), Bilbao ESP, rd 2, Sep-03
Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack Old Line (B78)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Sep-03-08  Marmot PFL: Think we are headed for a 3 draw day. Changing the scoring still doesn't make it worth taking unjustified risks at this level of opposition.
Sep-03-08  YouRang: Yeah, hard to see anything but a draw coming out of this...
Sep-03-08  Geronimo: Carlsen probably thinks he has a win here. I doubt he'd accept a draw or a perpetual with his time advantage.
Sep-03-08
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  tamar: Only the dragon's pawn skeleton will remain, with a rook to defend and the queen to administer perpetual.

Pretty neat, but I suspect the whole scheme for long term is like trying to build trains out of legos:-)

Sep-03-08  Mulyahnto: I guess black could try Nc3
Sep-03-08  messachess: <hedgeh0g: White has the zwischenzug> zwischenzug. That's one I don't know. (You made that up, right?)
Sep-03-08
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  Domdaniel: This just transposes to the other draw line with ...Qc8. Maybe ...Qa5 seemed better, to stop the King trying to run via d2, but Chuky couldn't have played Kd2 anyway -- 23....Nxa2+ 24.Kd2?? Qa5+ is a win for black.

Draw now, anyway.

Sep-03-08  radu stancu: <zwischenzug. That's one I don't know. (You made that up, right?)> Nope, it means "in between" move. For example giving a check before recapturing.
Sep-03-08  TheBB: <messachess> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwisch...
Sep-03-08  Jesspatrick: Seems to me, this could have been avoided with 22.Ka1
Sep-03-08
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  tamar: Let's see if the world record of nine repetitions falls.
Sep-03-08
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  whiteshark: First résumés... any
Sep-03-08  waustad: Topa v Aronian is still active for now.
Sep-03-08  hedgeh0g: Did Black really have to go for a perpetual? 3 pawns for the piece and two advanced connected passers on the a and b-files seems like ample compensation...
Sep-03-08  malthrope: <Marmot PFL: Think we are headed for a 3 draw day. Changing the scoring still doesn't make it worth taking unjustified risks at this level of opposition.>

I wouldn't count out action taking place in the 'Topalov-Aronian' game just yet! So, we shall see... :)

Sep-03-08  xenophon: <hedgeh0g: Did Black really have to go for a perpetual? 3 pawns for the piece and two advanced connected passers on the a and b-files seems like ample compensation...>

he was a bit more than a piece down when he took the perpetual

Sep-03-08  hedgeh0g: <he was a bit more than a piece down when he took the perpetual>

Heh, yes he was...for some reason I thought he still had three pieces...

Sep-03-08  Aspirador: <Seems to me, this could have been avoided with 22.Ka1> 22.Ka1 would have been possible but with wild complications: e.g. 22...Bxe6! 23.Nxe6 Qc8! and now 24.Qxg4?? loses to Qc4! with mate to follow. White must play 24.Rd4! Nxa2! and White can go for another perpetual or try 25.Qh3!?

(Many !'s in my lines but these are all great moves, found by the computer.)

Sep-03-08  acirce: <Ivanchuk used 40 minutes after Carlsen's 12..a6 in the Dragon. This despite Carlsen having played this exact thing several times, including against Anand a few months ago in their Mainz rapid match. And Radjabov played it against Karjakin a few weeks ago in Sochi -- a tournament Ivanchuk played in! Chucky told Macauley afterward that he was out of book after 12..a6, which is hard to believe even for him. He has a second, after all, Mexican IM Leon Hoyos, and they must have had the Dragon on the menu. Maybe Ivanchuk is just playing too much to do any prep.> http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

Again, bizarre. And I don't buy "playing too much". You can't get by on this level without doing any preparation, that is just a plain fact.

Sep-03-08
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  Honza Cervenka: On the other hand it is not possible to be prepared against every opponent's whole repertoire in a tournament. And it is hard to keep every played or analyzed line in memory...
Sep-03-08  you vs yourself: True but if Chucky is going to play 1.e4, shouldn't he at least check and see what Carlsen has been replying with or at least review the line played by super GMs at the tournament he's played in?
Sep-03-08  euripides: Ivanchuk seems to be very capable of becoming absorbed in what currently interests him rather than responding to immediately pressing circumstances. So I guess he and his second may have been analysing something other than Magnus' recent games.
Sep-04-08
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  Mateo: Ivanchuk said after the game that he thought about 13.Rhe1 on the board, although it is not a new idea. He referred to a game between Karpov and Sosonko.
Sep-04-08  boz: It is often said of Ivanchuk that he dreams up novelties over the board. Now I know why. He has to.
Sep-07-08  Whitehat1963: Shortest draw of the tournament so far. Not bad! Hardly what I'd call a bloodless "grandmaster draw."
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