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Magnus Carlsen vs Veselin Topalov
Grand Slam Chess Final (2008), Bilbao ESP, rd 3, Sep-04
Queen's Gambit Declined: Tartakower Defense. General (D58)  ·  0-1

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Magnus Carlsen vs Veselin Topalov (2008)
Photograph copyright © 2008 John Henderson, courtesy of ICC (chessclub.com)


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Sep-04-08  hardliner: Topa played an almost flawless game, with most of the computer's first choises. Very impressive!
Sep-04-08
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  JointheArmy: < Topa played an almost flawless game, with most of the computer's first choises.>

Are you trying to start something, now?

Sep-04-08  hardliner: No, I serious. You believe Magnus did it all by himself?
Sep-04-08
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  JointheArmy: <hardliner> Nvm. I thought it was just an open invitation for people to start accusing of Topalov using assistance again.
Sep-04-08  hardliner: <JointheArmy> Well, the thought crossed my mind, but this was not the intention of the post. I really think he played a great game.
Sep-04-08  syracrophy: <hardliner><JointheArmy> You both should better go to a page of political debates! :)

Just enjoy the game. The organizators will take care of the cheaters

Sep-04-08  twinlark: According to today's chessbase.com report, Carlsen was:

<clearly out-of-sorts ...our Spanish colleagues tell us he brought a bug with him from the Moscow blitz>.

Sep-04-08  sallom89: Blame it all on Deep Rybka 3, seems like he followed the computer ;o

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Analysis by Rybka 3 32-bit:

1. = (0.12): 1.b4 cxb4 2.Rc7 Rb8 3.Qe2 b5 4.Rfc1 Rc8 5.Rxc8 Bxc8 6.Bc7 Qe8 7.h3 Bb7

2. = (0.10): 1.Qe2 b5 2.dxc5 Nxc5 3.Bb1 Rc8 4.Rfd1 Qb6 5.h3 Rfd8 6.Rxd8+ Qxd8 7.Ne5 Bg5

Sep-04-08  acirce: <twinlark> Too bad if that is true, but it might contribute to explaining his play here, not exactly at his highest standard.

15.b4 was at least OK, and GM Dimitrov said White could simply not count on an advantage in this position by normal means. But he followed up too hesitantly, and soon it had simply turned out very badly. And then 21.Nd2? to top it off, although already in an uncomfortable position. Of course, missing 24..Bd8 three moves in advance is human.

Sep-04-08  twinlark: I hope he recovers in time to put up a decent showing.
Sep-04-08  Atking: <Of course, missing 24..Bd8 three moves in advance is human.> Yes especially in this short time control. One should not be taken outside his opening preparation. Topalov is well know to dominate in this phase of the game. In this tourament maybe Ivanchuk could compet with him but every body know that his time management is one of the wort in the world... I really think that 15.b4!? was a great test but Carlsen took too much time on it. Maybe on a usual time control he will have found a better line to prove the value of this gambit. What about my suggestion of yesterday 18.Ref1 with 18.d5. ?
Sep-05-08  MindCtrol9: <I just took a look at the game.I see <37.a5> instead of <37.Bf3> I don't know if I'm wrong,but let me know if I am>
Sep-05-08  ahmadov: Was there not a better move than 15.b4 or is it still from the book?
Sep-05-08  ahmadov: <SwitchingQuylthulg> has just provided some interesting analysis of this game as of move 21 on my forum...
Sep-06-08  Duck McCluck: good luck magnus, you still have 4 more games, win them all!
Sep-10-08  Udit Narayan: Susan Polgar is photographing the back of Carlsen's head.
Sep-12-08  SuperFly: <Susan Polgar is photographing the back of Carlsen's head.>

The idiot!!

Sep-13-08  Duck McCluck: I dont understand, superfly? I advise you to read the chessbase article which he was referring to.
Sep-13-08  ManuelMC: < Topa played an almost flawless game, with most of the computer's first choises.>

in "San Luis" this happend too!
Also when Danailov was seen doing strange behaviour in a tournment when topalov was play then this wire stuff end and topalov stop playing with this strength, until now, what a coincidence

I donīt believe Topalov is a 2800+ player.

Sep-15-08  InspiredByMorphy: Was 26.e5 N(moves) followed by 27.Nb3 better as it guards the d pawn?
Sep-28-08  Duck McCluck: <Inspire8yMorphy> Too bad if that is true, but it might contribute to explaining his play here, not exactly at his highest standard.

15.b4 was at least OK, and GM Dimitrov said White could simply not count on an advantage in this position by normal means. But he followed up too hesitantly, and soon it had simply turned out very badly. And then 21.Nd2? to top it off, although already in an uncomfortable position. Of course, missing 24..Bd8 three moves in advance is human.

Jul-15-09  InspiredByMorphy: In response to my previous post black can counterattack with 26.e5 Rxd4
Mar-19-10  pablo333: I am probably missing something here: after the exchange of rooks on move 20, why did Carlsen not continue with 21 Rc1? This would have kept the black queen out of c3 and (as far as I can see) regained the initiative for white.
Jun-24-12  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Carlsen vs Topalov, 2008.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF TOPALOV.
Your score: 122 (par = 112)

LTJ

Oct-01-12
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  Eggman: <<pablo333>> Off hand I'd say that White was keen to avoid 21.Rc1 Qa8, which would force him to advance his e-pawn create some holes.
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