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Veselin Topalov vs Magnus Carlsen
Grand Slam Chess Final (2008), Bilbao ESP, rd 8, Sep-10
Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack Old Line (B78)  ·  1-0

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Sep-10-08  kasp: Carlsen resignes.1-0
Sep-10-08  messachess: Anand-Aronian now appears indecisive with chances for Aronian (promoted to a Q--maybe an error by Anand.)
Sep-10-08  ewart cooper: come on it is a draw
Sep-10-08  jtd200: <Is it just me or do many top players have problems with finishing off their games when they have a winning position? Seems to me like it happens a lot these days.>

It seems to me that too many people have Rybka, these days, actually. Find any player in history with plenty of games to test (Kasparov, Fischer, anyone), and tell me that they found all of the best lines, according to computers, for even a fraction of their games, and never squandered advantages.

Sep-10-08  chessamateur: Cg can you put on Anand- Aronian?
Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: This is a won endgame for white, his passed b and c pawns are stronger than blacks e-pawn which cannot be supported by the king because of the blocking effect of white pawn f5 and rook on d file.
Sep-10-08  sallom89: Radja resigned already.
Sep-10-08  Augalv: <hedgeh0g: Did Radjabov resign?>

Don't you realize this is a Topalov-Carlsen match?

Sep-10-08  hedgeh0g: <Don't you realize this is a Topalov-Carlsen match?>

o rly?

Sep-10-08  Geronimo: This was a strange game, by many standards. Rybka in lipstick (on a pig!) or not.... The 3-1-0 scoring is pretty tough. If Ivanchuk wins, he's back in the running for first. Thanks for all your comments and good night from Nairobi....
Sep-10-08
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  whiteshark: Topa wins and now the dancing rook will give him a good shake.
Sep-10-08  theodor: topa, you'r the top!
Sep-10-08
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  chancho: Good to see El Topa doing so well. A harbinger of things to come?
Sep-10-08  Stoned Knight: Whats this Rybka business now? I thought Fritz was the best chess engine. Anyway, I would forbid resigning: "No sir, show me how you mate, else be happy with a draw." Plus I would introduce something like penalty shootout. In case of equal scoring, five random mate problems each.

I guess one could write a book on endgame with Q+R vs 2R+2P. We'll never see the end here, though.


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Sep-10-08  square dance: rybka has been the strongest engine since it came out. i forget when, but it was before the elista match.

and whats this about not resigning? they're super GMs, not third graders.

Sep-10-08  Stoned Knight: Exactly because they are not third graders. They are the best living players but didnt Topalov miss Qa5? I don't think I could mate Magnus in that position and I guess it would be hard even for his peers. They played for three hours, they might as well show us the blood, few more moves. It's like reading a detective but when you figured it all out someone rips off the last chapter.
Sep-10-08  square dance: <It's like reading a detective but when you figured it all out someone rips off the last chapter.> its not like that at all. and just because you dont understand the finish doesnt mean that tournaments should implement a 'no resign' rule. sorry, but thats just silly.
Sep-11-08  MindCtrol9: <The move I saw was a crushing one<42.Rh7> where Black had to resign right away>
Sep-11-08  Stoned Knight: LOL, I got on the wrong match page and you didnt realise it. Had you looked at the diagram you would have realised that that is an intermediate position of the Anand-Aronian endgame. In any case, I may not understand and you may be able to find the perfect mate against a 2700+ GM but thats not the point. I want to see how they do it, are you sure that given the same position any pair of GMs would mate the same way, maybe under time pressure and having played for 4 hours? Sorry for being silly and wasting your time, I guess you are now busy giving Anand advice on how to improve his game.
Sep-13-08  jovack: why are tournament players so afraid of the endgame

just play it out.. never resign

Feb-13-09  notyetagm: Monokroussos annotates: http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/fil...
Feb-13-09  notyetagm: Monokroussos annotates:
http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/fil...

<41.Nxb7 Qg8 42.Qd2 <<<[42.Rh7! was a killer. Black can't take the rook, and he also has to worry about shots like 43.Rxf7+ as well as the simple 43.Qd5. 42...Qxh7? 43.Qd8# ]>>>>

Feb-13-09  Towershield: 42.Rh7! Qc8 43.Qd6+ Rxd6 44.Rxf7+ Kxf7 45.Nxd6+ is pretty amusing.
Feb-13-09  notyetagm: <Towershield: 42.Rh7! Qc8 43.Qd6+ Rxd6 44.Rxf7+ Kxf7 45.Nxd6+ is pretty amusing.>

Beautiful line!

What a great tactical sequence that would have been: 42 ♖h1-h7!, 43 ♕d1-d6+!!, 44 ♖h7x♗f7+!, 45 ♘b7x♖d6+ <knight fork>.


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Mar-09-14  SpiritedReposte: Those queen maneuvers in the middle game! Outplayed the current world champ.
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