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Sep-20-09
 | | Domdaniel: And I've seen Alex Lopez play much better than this -- against me, for instance, a few times. Funny how an opponent's stature can make your game collapse. |
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May-30-11
 | | FSR: OK, I can smell another GOTD: "Short Lopez." |
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May-30-11
| | FSR: So now we know what Kasparov should have played against Kramnik's Berlins. |
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Dec-24-15
| | Domdaniel: Hey, <MAJ>, I've played both Short and Lopez, surely that deserves something ...? |
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Jun-19-20
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Not at all familiar with this 4.Qe2 variation of the Berlin. Could Black have done better with 10...Nd8? The idea consists of 11...Ne6; 12.Bh4(Be3!?),Nf4; 13.Qf1,Ng6 breaking the pin. Black would need a reply to 11.d4. |
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| Jun-19-20 | | spingo: What is a short Lopez? |
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| Jun-19-20 | | greenfield67: As you mentioned recently, <FSR>, long overdue... |
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Jun-19-20
 | | offramp: Poor Nigel Short. His name is used roughly once a month in a game title. That could be what keeps him away from this site. |
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| Jun-19-20 | | Brenin: Black seemed to have the better position until 13 ... d5, which looks premature. Should he have played Be6 first? |
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Jun-19-20
| | FSR: At last!! It only took nine years and change! A record? My thanks to chessgames.com for finally using this pun! |
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Jun-19-20
| | FSR: <spingo: What is a short Lopez?> A Ruy Lopez (Spanish) opening that doesn't last very long, in this case 22 moves. |
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| Jun-19-20 | | razetime: <FSR> An impressive achievement indeed! |
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Jun-19-20
 | | Annie K.: <FSR> you're welcome, it's a very good one. :) You know, <jith> is right, maybe you should resubmit some of your best ones - the recent submissions do get more attention now. |
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| Jun-19-20 | | areknames: < At last!!> Amen to that. A clean, perfect pun for an instructive miniature. Well done <FSR>! |
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| Jun-19-20 | | Brenin: As others have written, a perfect pun: both players, the opening, and the miniature nature of the game, all captured in just two words. Brevity is the soul of wit. |
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Jun-19-20
 | | OhioChessFan: I'm not ready to do cartwheels over the pun, but it's pretty good. |
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| Jun-20-20 | | Agferna: Don’t like it. Puns should not be insulting. Prefer “Lopez came up Short”, or “Lopez played a Short game”.
Cheers |
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Jun-20-20
| | FSR: <Agferna> How is it insulting? The game is a Ruy Lopez that lasted 22 moves. That makes it a short Lopez. Played between Short and Lopez. I'm not saying that Mr. Lopez is short (I have no idea), or urging you to short shares of Lopez (if there were such a thing). |
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| Jun-20-20 | | Agferna: Just my opinion; I respect others. Puns are supposed to rub it in and be a little annoying, but not insulting, nor offensive nor humiliating.
By saying Short Lopez” it can be interpreted that Lopez is being called “short”. This can be short of stature, short of intelligence, short of something. It can be interpreted not as a one-time or situational lapse like falling short, but more like a permanent condition, i.e., an insult.
Cheers |
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| Jun-20-20 | | Lossmaster: <Annie K.: maybe you should resubmit some of your best ones - the recent submissions do get more attention now.> Are you sure it’s allowed? I once deleted an old pun submission and resubmitted it to the same game in order to check if it was possible to "refresh" it that way, but, if I recall correctly, I was told that I can’t submit twice the same pun (even if I had deleted the first submission). |
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| Jun-20-20 | | Agferna: Nobody calls the Ruy Lopez, “Lopez”. So the chance “Short Lopez” is interpreted as offensive. However the issue would disappear with “Short Ruy Lopez”, which clearly refers to the opening; the surname similarity being incidental.
I know, one extra word, but worth it.
Cheers |
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Jun-21-20
| | FSR: <Agferna> People often call the Ruy Lopez "the Lopez." https://www.google.com/search?q=che... You are the only one who has interpreted my pun as a slight on Mr. Lopez. I assure you that I have no idea of his height or other personal characteristics. He could be seven feet tall for all I know. This comment will be the end of what I have to say on this topic. |
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| Jun-21-20 | | Muttley101: <Agferna: Nobody calls the Ruy Lopez, “Lopez”. So the chance “Short Lopez” is interpreted as offensive.> Yes, they do. I have asked people "What opening did your opponent play?" and received the reply "It was a Lopez" for example, and used the same term myself. Other examples- "What opening did you play?" "I played the dragon", or "I played the Najdorf". The "Sicilian" part of it is unnecessary. It isn't uncommon let alone unknown to use shorthand like this for openings. " Short Lopez" is the identical term for the players involved and describing the game. An innocent and concise pun, as FSR intended. Trying to suggest that this could be read as a slight on the black player, intended or not, just isn't plausible. |
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Jun-21-20
 | | perfidious: Across the years, I often heard this opening referred to by the name 'Lopez'; why would it even occur to anyone that this, dare I say it, shortened form is offensive? This is making something out of nothing. |
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| Jun-21-20 | | Agferna: Ok guys, good point. Lopez is such a popular Hispanic name, that maybe because of my Hispanic origins not once have I ever heard it referred as simply “Lopez”. But the world is a vast place and I believe you. No slight taken. I’ll still call it the Ruy Lopez LOL. Cheers |
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