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Viswanathan Anand vs Vladimir Kramnik
Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008), Bonn GER, rd 2, Oct-15
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Saemisch. Keres Variation (E25)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Oct-16-08  ahmadov: At least this one was more interesting draw than the previous one...
Oct-16-08  VaselineTopLove: Does anyone have the videos of the post game press conference?
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  Eyal: <his nickname is The Lightning Kid and he can't make 7 moves in 4 minutes [...]!?>

It was actually 8 moves in something like 2 minutes, but besides that I think there's a more basic misconception here. Anand is known as an expert rapid player, as well as for the relative ease and rapidity of his play in classical chess. However, playing quickly from start to finish in a rapid (or blitz) game is, psychologically, something very different than playing quickly in time trouble during a classical game; also, Anand's usual manner of play means that rarely <gets> into time trouble in the first place - he's much more used to a situation where his opponent is the one in time trouble. And the fact that he got into time trouble in this game indicates (besides how complex it was) that he wasn't feeling so comfortable with the position for several moves, and was having trouble finding a good plan - a winning plan, at any rate.

Oct-16-08  Raginmund: two draws in 32 moves, this adds 64 moves in two games. Is this some kind of pact?
Really a pity they don't continue playing...
I'm a Kramnik fan... fanatic for his playing style, so subtle and so patiently... I think this was good for Kramnik, I could swear that white was much more better.
Oct-16-08  Mikhail Tal fan: hi everybody.. i found the match interesting , i wanted them to continue, but the famous "Drawnik" offered a draw again , i watch the game live from , here 's the link..can someone tell me about the ELO of Chessmaster 11 in a 2.40Ghz CPU (pentium 4)512 Mb RAM ? thanks for help
Oct-16-08  boz: <the famous "Drawnik" offered a draw again>

Funny the way Kramnik's opponents are powerless to resist all offers of a draw.

Oct-16-08  Brown: Wow. Anybody try playing either side in the final position against a computer or a friend and see how they fare?
Oct-16-08  notyetagm: <Ezzy: You sense a kind off nervous start from the players. Not surprising, this is the Supreme World Championships. Nobody wants to make a bad mistake. All their time being used to double check variations. It's only 2 games into the match. You don't want to start blitzing out mistakes.>

Yes, Anand is already a whole point better than Topalov was after two games in the Elista match.

I'm sure Topalov would have liked to have started with two draws instead of two losses back in the 2006 match.

Oct-16-08  notyetagm: <acirce: From Illescas' annotations>

Thanks for the link to the excellent annotations.

Oct-16-08  notyetagm: <acirce: From Illescas' annotations ... <a draw offer.Surprisingly , Anand agreed, probably worried at the clock (he had less than 3 minutes to reach the 40 moves control) <<or maybe dissapointed with the lack of coordination of his pieces.>>>>

Final position: 1/2-1/2

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Yes, exactly what *are* the White pieces trying to do over on the queenside? They appear to be in a rather useless clump. Anand has no <PIECE COORDINATION> at all in the final position.

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  Richard Taylor: In the position above either 33. Rb2 or 33. c5 and say Rhd8 or 33. ... Nf4 34. Rf3 etc with complex play...

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  Richard Taylor: Here's a a game I played v the f3 line:

[Event "NZ Championships Reserve 2007"]
[Site "Auckland"]
[Date "2007.01.16"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Mario Krstev"]
[Black "Richard Taylor"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. f3 c5 5. d5 exd5 6. cxd5 d6 7. e4 a6 8. a4 Qe7 9. Bd2 h6 10. Bc4 Nbd7 11. Nge2 Ne5 12. b3 g5 13. O-O Bd7 14. Nc1 Rg8 15. Nd3 g4 16. f4 Nf3+!?

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17. Rxf3?

He should take 17. ... gxf3 18. gxf3+ and 19. Kh1! is about = if Black plays well.

gxf3 18. e5 Rxg2+ 19. Kh1 Bg4 20. Qe1 Rxd2 21. exf6 Qxe1+ 22. Rxe1+ Kf8 23. Nxb4 f2 24. Rf1 Bf3# (Black mates) 0-1

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  Richard Taylor: Here is Vadim - not Anatoly's version - of playing against the f3 in 2006

[Event "59th Russian Championship"]
[Site "Tomsk RUS"]
[Date "2006.09.09"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gennady Arzhenkov"]
[Black "Vadim Karpov"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2371"]
[BlackElo "2411"]
[EventDate "2006.09.03"]
[ECO "E24"]
[PlyCount "74"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. f3 d5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 c5 7. e3 O-O 8. cxd5 Nxd5 9. c4 Nb6 10. Bd3 Nc6 11. Ne2 cxd4 12. exd4 e5 13. d5 Na5

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A typical position in the "solid" Nimzo

14. Qc2
Naxc4 15. Bxh7+ Kh8 16. Bd3 Qxd5 17. O-O Bd7 18. Be4 Qc5+ 19. Kh1 Qe7 20. Nc3 Be6 21. a4 a5 22. Qf2 f5 23. Bc2 Rac8 24. Rb1 Rc6 25. Nb5 Rd8 26. Bb3 Rd7 27. Re1 Qf6 28. h3 Rc8 29. Na3 Nxa3 30. Bxa3 Bxb3 31. Rxb3 Nc4 32. Rc1 Rc6 33. Bb2 Rd2 34. Bxe5 Qxe5 35. Qh4+ Rh6 36. f4 Qd5 37. Qg5 Rd1+ 0-1

Oct-16-08  acirce: The press conference and some footage of the game:

direct link:

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  Richard Taylor: Here's another interesting game with avr moror less as Kramnik and Anand etc played it at the start - belies the idea that the Nimzo is "solid" or "dull" -

V Milov vs L Pantsulaia, 2005

Oct-16-08  wollkay: when anand played c6... i think black should have played Nc5. please analyze these..
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  Gypsy: What should this variation of Nimzo be called, a Double Saemish?
Oct-17-08  notyetagm: White to play: 28 ?

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Here Anand (White) played 28 ♖h1-c1 in order to hang on to his extra c4-pawn but shows a superior suggestion by GM Illescas, 28 ♗b1-c2!:

<28.Rc1 Anand: 20 minutes left. [28.Bc2! Illescas. <You give the pawn back but coordinate your pieces,> e.g. 28...Bxc4 ... 29.Rhd1 with a clear advantage and a position that's easy to play.]>

(VAR) 28 ♗b1-c2! ♗a6xc4 29 ♖h1-d1 (Illescas)

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A *great* example of Capablanca's saying that <POSITION COMES FIRST, MATERIAL SECOND>.

Anyone have a <RYBKA 3 EVAL> for the final position of this short variation? Thanks.

Oct-17-08  notyetagm: To answer my own question with <FRITZ 11>:

1: Anand - Kramnik, Anand-Kramnik World Championship Match 2008

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Analysis by Fritz 11:

1. (0.83): 29...Rd8xd1 30.Bc2xd1 Nh5-f4 31.Bb4-c3 Nf4xh3 32.Bc3xe5 Nh3-g5+ 33.Kf3-f4 Ng5-e6+ 34.Kf4-e3 Rh8-d8 35.Bd1-c2 Kc8-b7 36.Ra1-b1+ Kb7-a6 37.Be5-c3 c6-c5 38.Rb1-d1 Rd8xd1 39.Bc2xd1 Ka6-b5

2. (0.91): 29...Nh5-f4 30.Rd1-d6 Rd8xd6 31.Bb4xd6 Rh8-e8 32.Bd6xe5 Nf4xh3 33.Be5-d6 Nh3-g5+ 34.Kf3-f4 Ng5-f7 35.Bd6-c5 a7-a5 36.Ra1-d1 g7-g5+ 37.Kf4-g3 Kc8-c7 38.Bc5-d4 Nf7-e5

3. (0.92): 29...Rh8-e8 30.g2-g3 Nh5-f6 31.g3-g4 Rd8xd1 32.Ra1xd1 Re8-h8 33.Kf3-g2 Rh8-d8 34.Rd1-c1 Kc8-b7 35.Bb4-c3 Nf6-d7 36.Bc2-a4 Bc4-b5 37.Rc1-b1 Kb7-a6

4. (1.17): 29...Nh5-f6 30.Ra1-c1 Rd8xd1 31.Bc2xd1 Bc4-b5 32.Bd1-c2 Kc8-c7 33.Rc1-d1 Nf6-d7 34.Bb4-d6+ Kc7-b6 35.Rd1-b1 Rh8-h6 36.Bd6-e7 Kb6-c7 37.Bc2-b3 c6-c5 38.Bb3-d5

5. (1.18): 29...Rh8-h6 30.Rd1xd8+ Kc8xd8 31.Bb4-c3 Rh6-e6 32.Bc2-d1 Nh5-f4 33.Ra1-b1 Kd8-c7 34.Bc3xe5+ Re6xe5 35.Kf3xf4 Re5-a5 36.a3-a4 g7-g5+ 37.Kf4-e3 Bc4-e6 38.Rb1-b2

(, 17.10.2008)

So Fritz 11 agress that White is ahead almost by a pawn in spite of having just giving back his extra pawn(!).

Oct-17-08  Whack8888: <notyetagm> Interesting -- it makes sense though really -- Kramnik blundered and had to sac a pawn for piece activity, if Anand sacs a pawn for piece activity, he will be materially equal but he will gain compensation equal to about a saced pawn.
Oct-17-08  blindhermit: <Whack8888> This blunder you mention, what move did this blunder occur? Black's play seems deliberate the entire game. Perhaps I'm missing something heinous.
Oct-17-08  blindhermit: <notyetagm> Pardon me if you've been asked this before, how far along are you to Grand Master status?
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  Eyal: <blindhermit> "Blunder" is perhaps a bit too strong a word for it, but at any rate 21...Ndf6 is considered to be the move that got Black into unnecessary difficulties, whereas 21...Nge5 should maintain equality (see, for example, Illescas' commentary at
Oct-17-08  acirce: Both players seemed to agree that White would still have been very slightly better after 21..Nge5 instead of Kramnik's over-ambitious 21..Ndf6 (at that point he should just have tried to make a draw - he tried to take the initiative but did not get enough compensation).
Oct-17-08  Red October: maybe the missed opportunity for Bc2 was playing on Anand's mind, that can happen even to the very best, sometimes knowing you missed a stronger move can affect you in OTB play
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