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| Aug-07-21 | | Walter Glattke: I saw 22.-Be4 23.Qxd3 (my C-line) allows Qxe4 with check, not the same as Rd3- Rxe3. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | mel gibson: Come on guys -
did any of you really see
22... Be4 ?
The guy who played that move was:
Michal Krasenkow
Last FIDE rating: 2602 |
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| Aug-07-21 | | Brenin: <mel gibson>: I saw 22 ... Be4 within a few seconds, and the continuations I gave took another minute or two, though I don't claim to have worked out all of White's feasible responses. I don't think you need to be a GM to see that move. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | mel gibson: <Aug-07-21 Brenin: <mel gibson>: I saw 22 ... Be4 within a few seconds, and the continuations I gave took another minute or two, though I don't claim to have worked out all of White's feasible responses. I don't think you need to be a GM to see that move.> You must be an excellent player -
that was no simple move.
Most players would have moved their Queen out of danger. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | Stanco: I doubted between 22...Be4 and 22...Rc8 and chose Rc8. The problem with Rc8 is that white king makes runaway across b1. In case black takes queen than 23.Be4+ Qc3 24.Rxc3 bxc3 25.Ba3#
or 23...Qc2 24.Rxc2+ and eating white out of house and home. |
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Aug-07-21
 | | rodchuck: <mel gibson><Brenin>It is a Saturday puzzle, so the "natural" moving the queen out of danger is obviously not the answer, so one has to look for something extraordinary. It took me some time to see Be4, but the idea of preventing the king going to b1with Rc8 as follow-up if the black quenn were taken suddenly dawned on me. In a normal game I certainly wouldn't have seen it. |
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Aug-07-21
| | rodchuck: Sorry black queen :-( |
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| Aug-07-21 | | mel gibson: <Aug-07-21
Premium Chessgames Member rodchuck: <mel gibson><Brenin>It is a Saturday puzzle, so the "natural" moving the queen out of danger is obviously not the answer, so one has to look for something extraordinary. It took me some time to see Be4, but the idea of preventing the king going to b1with Rc8 as follow-up if the black quenn were taken suddenly dawned on me. In a normal game I certainly wouldn't have seen it.>I agree now.
After seeing the solution it was obvious but
I don't think I would have seen that.
I spent about 2 to 3 minutes on it
and didn't even consider that good move. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | Whitehat1963: Wow! Complicated exchange. I never came close to figuring this out. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | agb2002: White threatens Bxe8 and fxe3.
The position of the white king suggests 22... Be4: A) 23.Bxe8 Rc8+ 24.Qc2 (24.Qc3 Rxc3+ 25.bxc3 Ba3#) 24... Rxc2+ 25.Kb1 Rc8+ 26.Ka1 Rxe8 wins a piece. B) 23.fxe3 Qc6+ 24.Kd2 (or 24.Qc3 Bxh1 wins an exchange for a pawn) 24... Bxh1 wins decisive material. For example, 25.Rc1 Qg2+ 26.Kd3 Bd6 and White doesn't have any compensation for the material loss. C) 23.Rdf1 Rc8+ 24.Kd1 Bf3+ 25.Ke1 Rc1+ 26.Qd1 Rxd1#. |
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Aug-07-21
 | | chrisowen: Liquor evicts lavacious Be4 ghosts abridge frazzled its low ivorys litins brummy milked its liquor liked its quality uvrays avidus evicts ivorys factor faced its gone wongas evicts wushis hupviz jezebel its helm u no cars evicts waged its dainty divide relike bumpup have its Bf7 hubbub adc knacks Rhe1 feline gotcha accommodate its made its evicts totadd if hackup ivorys diffused it against its hours ivorys ices its woggled its avidus ventus deinty bail its lap Be4 jackpot; |
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Aug-07-21
| | chrisowen: Passover Be4 ar it is light no? |
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Aug-07-21
| | chrisowen: Too late now be4 :) |
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| Aug-07-21 | | Walter Glattke: Saw by "But-I-like-fur" that 23.Qxe3 does not help, so after 26. Kf1 Qc6! or even 25.-Bg2 black wins. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | drollere: <Come on guys - did any of you really see
22... Be4 ?>
this isn't a proctored exam, so that question is empty. i can't speak for others, but the only reason i post is to show my work and stand for correction. i have nothing else to offer except amusement among the cognoscenti. i learned something from this puzzle, which is that foreseeing a mate in a few is a strong tactic. now i just have to learn to see a mate threat in a few. there have been kibitzers who identify the diagnostic tactics or strategy, but <agb2002> is distinctive for dutifully posting a report that shows major variations -- and posting corrections if needed ... and thank you for that, dude. does he work these out himself, or with a computer? they are reliable and very helpful, so i don't care. others gurus, such as <jimofprovidence> or <sally simpson>, have fallen away to my regret. it's not who is honest and who is not, but whose posts are useful or errant, difficult to read or easy to understand. for the rest, the empty boasters know who they are ... and so do we. |
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| Aug-07-21 | | agb2002: <drollere: ... and thank you for that, dude.> Thanks to you!
<does he work these out himself, or with a computer? they are reliable> I'm afraid DroidFish would often disagree...
<and very helpful> I do agree: I normally learn something from my oversights (23.Rd3 and 23.Qxe3, in this puzzle) and blunders (for example 24... Bf3 yesterday, probably the squares around the white king got all my focus, momentarily ignoring the rest of pieces, in particular the black queen). In any case, if other kibitzers find my posts interesting or not it's just up to them. <Come on guys - did any of you really see 22... Be4 ?> Any move which controls squares around the opponent's king is automatically interesting. The rest is calculation -hopefully without oversights nor blunders!- supported by pattern recognition (tactical motifs including Boden's and other mates). |
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Aug-07-21
 | | Breunor: Although I usually struggle with Tuesday and Wednesday puzzles, I did see Be4 pretty quickly - I think the key is that there is a light shined saying 'this is a puzzle look for a puzzle solution' meaning I didn't just move the queen out of danger instinctively. I saw right away that white's taking the queen leads to mate. However, I didn't work out every variation; on 24 Rd3 I played Qc6ch (giving in to instinct to move the queen!), which according to the computer still gives black a 3 score although the text Qe7 is better. |
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Aug-07-21
 | | Teyss: <drollere> 100% agree on all of your post including thanks and compliments to <agb2002>, fully deserved. |
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Aug-07-21
| | chrisowen: I tell you what
Double or quits
bloody bolder. |
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Aug-07-21
| | chrisowen: bored jah bed.
Qe3 no?
z x ta |
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Aug-07-21
 | | Dionysius1: There are so many mates if White takes on e8. My favourite is 23. ♗xe8 ♖c8+ 24. ♕c3 ♖xc3+ 25. bxc3 ♗a3# |
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Aug-07-21
| | chrisowen: Crockpot
Fraggier
Jagged edge ton. |
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| Aug-08-21 | | agb2002: <Teyss: <drollere> 100% agree on all of your post including thanks and compliments to <agb2002>, fully deserved.> Thank you! |
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| Aug-08-21 | | Stanco: its if you expel us, send us into the herd of swine and he said to them go with that they came out and went off into the swine, and look the entire herd rushed over the precipice into the sea and died in the waters its no? |
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| Aug-08-21 | | Stanco: darkness is present in the absence of light no? |
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