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Louis De Veauce vs Raymond Keene
Bognor Regis Blitz (1963) (blitz), Bognor Regis ENG
Bird Opening: From Gambit (A02)  ·  0-1

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Mar-23-09  SetNoEscapeOn: <xrt999: I think 4.Nf3 is reasonable play in this line, although uncommon. White's error is taking the pawn on c7 in lieu of development.>

It's almost like a hard-and-fast rule in these types of positions: it's not healthy to capture three pawns (with the aim of emerging from the opening two pawns up).

Mar-23-09  Samagonka: Reminds me of how I started learning chess. One of the rules that I first learnt was never to loose control of the center (d,e files).
Mar-23-09  CHESSTTCAMPS: <MaxxLange:> wrote <I've seen people half-seriously suggest that kids be taught the 1 e4 e5 2 Qh5 Nf6 line:...> This seems like a good suggestion. After all, black gets two tempi plus a semi-open e-file for a pawn, amounting to very reasonable chances for anyone. Appropriately, this line has been named the Kiddie Countergambit.
Mar-23-09  mworld: Funny thing:

I thought it was white to play so I am athinking "duh, take the queen..." then I realized it was actually black to play and Im thinking now there's actually going to be a trick to it, but no, it was just "duh, mate the king"

hehe

Mar-23-09  DarthStapler: Got it. The shortest game I ever won was when my opponent resigned before making a move. It was online so I don't know what was going on.
Mar-23-09  BadKnight: terrible game for a 2300 rated player.
Mar-23-09  thebuilder05: That GM at the time must have been thinking "suicide"
Mar-23-09  kolf: I'd imagine that Louis here must have echoed the last words of George V after this one.
Mar-23-09  Absentee: <BadKnight: terrible game for a 2300 rated player.>

At the time the game was played he must have been very young. Or drunk to the gills.

Mar-23-09  MaxxLange: Wow, a lot of you don't seem to notice that CG uses the latest rating for all the games of a player, not the historical rating. This was a school blitz tournament, the players didn't even HAVE ratings as we know them in 1963, as was made clear on page one.

Mar-23-09  WhiteRook48: 6. Nb5?? is terrible
Mar-23-09  Pawnage: 6...Be7, obviously. Impossible to miss. :)

(sarcasm, of course)

Mar-23-09  weisyschwarz: 2300? Was Louie playing his first blindfold game ever?
Mar-23-09  MaxxLange: [smash head here]
Mar-23-09  zenpharaohs: hedgeh0g: "I wonder what the Knight on b5 is thinking in the final position..."

He is thinking: "Must have been blitz."

Mar-23-09
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  OBIT: Personally, I think From's Gambit is suspect if White doesn't let Black's short-term threats rattle him. If White avoids all Black's traps (and admittedly he has more than a few), he should end up a pawn better, and, more importantly, has two center pawns to none for his opponent. It's fun for fast chess, though. :)

In this game, I don't think there is anything wrong with accepting Black's ultra-provocative offer of a second pawn and playing 4. dxc7. The obvious mistake is 6. Nb5?? After 6. e4, does Black have anything? If he continues his sacrificial orgy with 6...Bg3+ 7. hxg3 Qxg3+ 8. Ke2 Bg4+ 9. Nf3, and Black has no way to continue the attack. Also, 6...Bxh2 7. Bb5+ Bd7 8. Bxd7+ Nxd7 9. Nf3 Bg3+ 10. Kf1 looks fine for White.

Mar-23-09  morfishine: 2 easy
Mar-23-09
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  Jonathan Sarfati: It's fine to take the second ♙. Don't "annotate by result". White can even give back one of them to swap ♕s and leave Black without a decent attack with 5. e4 ♗xe4 6. ♕e2 forcing ... ♕e7 7. d3.

5. d3 then e4 also looks solid and leaves Black hard-pressed to justify giving up two ♙s, centre ♙s at that. With the extra escape square, a Black ♗ sac will be futile.

Mar-23-09  Woody Wood Pusher: Best Monday ever IMO.

Thanks Ray!

Mar-23-09  Kinghunt: 6. e4 looks totally winning for white. White is two pawns up and can survive any immediate black attack without needing to give up material. Say what you will about why it's bad to just take pawns and try to carry that into the middlegame, I sure wouldn't want to be playing black if white hadn't played 6. Nb5. Rybka gives a +1.2 evaluation after 6. e4.
Mar-24-09  outplayer: <ray keene> It was not a coincidence. I've played my game after seeing yours.
Mar-24-09
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  ray keene: <outplayer> glad to be of service in that case-however as i am sure everyone realises-this line is basically just one big trap-good only for very quick chess-if anyone tries it and loses at a slower time limit -you have been warned.

not all of my openings ideas are sound-some are just tricky tactics-again -i refer to my game v sugden which i won as black in a caro kann-this also involves the offer of 2 pawns as black-anyone is free to try my ideas and i wish you all luck-congrats to <outplayer> again-but pls dont blame me if they get refuted by more accurate play than my opponents offered!

finally-now that this is no longer the monday position-i am delighted that this gamelet played so long ago has stimulated so much discussion and even netted one of our friends and co-contributors a quick victory.

Mar-27-09  patzer2: Great blitz game by GM Keene. I suppose 6. e4! gives White winning chances in a serious OTB or correspondence game. However, in blitz or skittles, this opening gambit is perfectly suitable.

P.S.: The move 6...Bg3+! mates-in-two and solved the Monday March 23, 2009 puzzle. I suppose 6. ? with the solution of 6. e4! could make for an interesting future Weekend puzzle solution.

Sep-12-10  meppi: king hunt - in your 6e4 line. what about if black plays knight to c6 to continue the sac attack ie: 6e4 - Nc6
7. exf5 - bg3+
8. Hxg3 (if Ke2 then Qe5+) - Qxg3+
9. Ke2 - Nd4#
Sep-12-10  meppi: and if white didn't capture the bishop on move 7. and instead played d4 or something like that. maybe blacks 0-0-0 is o.k and can be useful in some kind of attack. the light square bishop isnt doing much atm so black can afford to leave it en prise
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