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Karl Robatsch vs Weghofer
Kapfenberg, Austria (1955)
Zukertort Opening: Lisitsyn Gambit (A04)  ·  1-0

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Mar-18-15  dfcx: Mate in 5.

17. Bxf6+ Kxf6 (Kf8 18.Rd8#) 18. Ne4+ Ke7 (Kg7 is same) 19. Qg5+ Kf7 20. Qf6+ Kg8 21. Rd8#

Mar-18-15  M.Hassan: "Medium"
White to play 17.?
Sides are equal

17.Bxf6
<if declined, 17...Kf8 18.Rd8#>

17...........Kxf6
18.Ne4+ Kg7
19.Qg5+ Kf7
20.Qf6+ Kg8
21.Rd8#
The result would have been the same had:
18...........Ke8
19.Qg5+ Kf7
20.Qf6+ Ke8
21.Rd8#

Mar-18-15  widjaja70: 15.... Qxf2! instead the text 15...Qb4
would save Black. if 16. Ne4 Black can reply 16.... Be3+ exchanging Bishop.
Mar-18-15  Dr. J: Dr. J: A simplified analysis:

(1) Material is even, and Black's king is exposed. (2) We can expose it further by 17 Bxf6+ Kxf6. (3) Now if we can use Queen checks and forks to win either the KR or the QB, then the combination will have been justified. (4) And that turns out to work: 18 Qg5+ K-any 19 Qf6+ wins back the piece. And (5), in passing, we note that adding Rd8+ (before or after Qf6+, as necessary) makes it checkmate.

Mar-18-15
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  agb2002: The material is identical.

White can force mate with 17.Bxf6+:

A) 17... Kxf6 18.Ne4+

A.1) 18... Ke7 19.Qg5+

A.1.a) 19... Ke(f)8 20.Rd8+ Kf7 21.Qf6#.

A.1.b) 19... Kf7 20.Qf6+ and 21.Rd8#.

A.2) 18... Kg7 19.Qg5+ as in A.1.

B) 17... Kf8 18.Rd8#.

Mar-18-15  gofer: <17 Bxf6+ ...>

17 ... Kf8
18 Rd8#

<17 ... Kxf6+>
<18 Ne4+ ...>

18 ... Ke7/Kg7
19 Qg5+ ...

19 ... Ke8/Kf8
20 Rd8+ Kf7
21 Qf6#

19 ... Kf7
20 Qf6+ Kg8/Ke8
21 Rd8#

Simple...

~~~

Yep...

Mar-18-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: Multiple winning moves today. 17. Bxf6+ was the obvious try leading to a forced mate, but I was also goofing off with the sly 17. Qh6


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White threatens Qg7+, Qxf6+ and (if the rook moves) Qxh7+. Fritzie is calling it north of +10 - not as good as the game line's mate in 5, but winning nonetheless.

Fritzie also finds 17.Bb5 and 17.Bc4 which also win lots of material.

Mar-18-15
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  scormus: <Once> I had a feeling there would be multiple winning lines.

Sometimes a choice of winning lines makes the puzzle more difficult, but here 17 Bxf6+ Kxf6 18 Ne4+ looks the most obvious and in fact is the most devastating as well.

Mar-18-15  morfishine: <17.Bxf6+> Knocks his "Wig-off" after 17...Kxf6 <18.Ne4+> and White has an overwhelming advantage at the point of attack

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Mar-18-15
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  TheaN: TheaN: Wednesday 18 March 2015 <17.?>

This seems a rather straightforward Wednesday, probably a bit below its regular level: because the black king is in the center with three white pieces viciously aiming at him, the pawn on f6 looks very weak.

<17.Bxf6+ Kxf6 (Kf8 18.Rd8#) 18.Ne4+ Ke7> black can play Kg7, but it leads to the same after Qg5+ with an option less <19.Qg5+> in the position at hand black has three ways to escape check, but all lead to similar mating patterns because white only has to switch the moves: <19....Ke8/Kf8 (Kf7 20.Qf6+ Ke8/Kg8 21.Rd8#) 20.Rd8+ Kf7 21.Qf6# 1-0>.

As said, I do believe this is a fairly straightforward and easy Wednesday.

Mar-18-15  Mating Net: A fine example of the power of the Queen/Knight duo. In the final position, the stallion covers the dark squares, while the Queen covers the light squares.
Mar-18-15  CHESSTTCAMPS: Material is even, but 2 black rooks and one knight are undeveloped, the black queen is offside, and the black king is caught in the middle. Black has small threats, fxg5 and Bxf2, but white's deployment is powerful enough to ignore both.

17.Qh6! creates a deadly triple threat of Qg7+, Qxf6+, and Bxf6+. Black does not have the resources to defend:

A) 17... fxg5 18.Qg7+ Bf7 19.Qxh8 c5|c6 (to stop Qd8+ and Rd8) 20.Qc8 and black can't stop 21.Qxb7(+) followed by capture of the other rook.

B) 17... Rf8 18.Qg7+ Rf7 (Bf7 19.Qxf6+ Ke8 20.Rd8#) 19.Bxf6+ Ke8 20.Rd8#

B.1) 18... Ke8 19.Rd8+! (19.Bxf6 wins more slowly) Kxd8 20.Qxf8+ Kd7 21.Bxf6 Bc5 (to stop Qe7+) 22.Bb5+ c6 (Qxb5 23.Qg7+ followed by Nxb5 wins queen) 23.Qxc5 cxb5 24.Qe7+ finishes.

C) 17... Nd7 18.Qg7+ Bf7 19.Rxd7+ Kxd7 20.Qxf7+ wins material with continuing attack.

D) 17... Nc6 18.Qg7+ Bf7 19.Qxf6+ Ke8|f8 20.Qxh8+ wins

E) 17... Rg8 (and others) 18.Qxf6+ Ke8|f8 19.Rd8#

Time for review...

Mar-18-15  CHESSTTCAMPS: Robatsch and many kibitzers found the simpler win.
Mar-18-15
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  Penguincw: I thought of 17.Bxf6+, but then switched gears to the queenside. I noticed the black queen was almost trapped, so thought that 17.b4 would trap it. Unfortunately, a3 is unprotected. Pretending it isn't would result in 17...Bf7 18.Bxf6+ Kxf6 19.Qxf7+ Kxf7 20.bxa5 Bxa5, and uh, material and position is still equal. :| (that went better in my head)
Mar-18-15  Marmot PFL: A sequence of checks wins it 17. Bxf6+ Kxf6 18. Ne4+ for example Kg7 19. Qg5+ Kf7 20. Qf6+ and 21. Rd8 mate
Mar-18-15  scassislusor: Odd position: after 16 moves the number of pieces for each player that have (apparently) not been moved seems high. GM vs a nobody - did this game come from a simul?
Mar-18-15  Strelets: <scassislusor> Robatsch's player bio here mentions him taking second at a tournament in Kapfenberg in 1955. This game was probably played at that tournament.
Mar-18-15
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  Cheapo by the Dozen: Qh6 catches the eye quickly. And it seems to work. One line is:

17 Qh6 Rf8 (because of the double threat Qxf6+/Qg7+)
18 Qg7+ (anyway) Rf7
19 Bxf6+ Ke8
20 Rd8#

Black can perhaps avert immediate mate at the cost of pitching material in the alternate line

17 Qh6 Rf8
18 Qg7+ Ke8
19 Bxf6

However, the consequences to 19 ... Rxf6 look ugly, as it is hard for Black to consolidate his position -- already down exchange and pawn -- without allowing a back-rank skewer on his remaining rook. Interpolating 19 ... Nc6 20 Bb5 is probably a little less awful, but still puts Black into a well lost game.

Mar-18-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Black will be going down quickly!
Mar-18-15  Marmot PFL: <Odd position: after 16 moves the number of pieces for each player that have (apparently) not been moved seems high.>

Seems like a lot of amateurs do that in the Dutch, attack with a few pieces and sometimes never develop the queen side at all.

Mar-18-15  Bycotron: I chose 17.Qh6 Rf8 18.Qg7+ Rf7 19.Bxf6+ Ke8 20.Rd8# I didn't think it was fair to send the good Bishop in to die when he could survive and share in the spoils of victory, a just reward for his noble service!
Mar-18-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Cheapo by the Dozen: Looks like I missed the more direct solution. In any case, all the winning lines seem to rely on Black's weakness at d8, and in particular White's ability to control the diagonal pointing to it after he plays Bxf6.
Mar-18-15  psmith: <widjaja70>: after 15.... Qxf2 16. Ne4 Be3+ 17. Kb1 Black is still kaput.
Mar-18-15  stst: Quite many variations after
17.Bxf6+ Kxf6 (forced)
18.Ne4+
but just one short sequence:
18.......... Ke7
19.Qg5+ Kf7
20.Qh5+ Kf8
21.Q6+ Kf7
22.Ng5+ Ke8
23.Qxe6+ Kf8
24.Qf7#
Mar-18-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  ajile: Lisitsin Gambit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVW...

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