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|Nov-11-09|| ||anandrulez: Bit lucky for Vishy , he was probably on the ropes after f5 from Carlsen instaed of Qe2 ....|
|Nov-11-09|| ||anandrulez: As per Chessok.com Rybka analysis f5 was better 26... Qe7 27. f6 Qa3 28. Qd2 Qf8 29. g5 g6 30. gxh6 Kh7 31. Bc6 Qxh6 32. Qxh6+ Kxh6 33. Be8 Ra7 34. Bxb5 Kh5 35. Rf3 g5 Rybka Aquarium (0:04.21) +0.53|d18 white stands slightly better)
What is the opinion ? Is the position afte rg5 winning for white ?|
|Nov-11-09|| ||ajile: I don't see any plan to follow 12.g4. White weakens his k-side for no apparent reason.|
|Nov-11-09|| ||Bdellovibrio: <anandrulez> I think I missed a tactic, what if 26...♕xg4?|
|Nov-11-09|| ||Eyal: <Bdellovibrio> 26.f5 Qxg4? was discussed during the live kibitzing - see p.6.|
|Nov-11-09|| ||Eyal: A video of Anand presenting the game at http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/k.... Rather disappointingly, he doesn't say anything about the possibility of 26.f5 instead of Qe2. He does say that he "got greedy" with 25...Qh4 and should have played instead simply Nd5 for equality. Interestingly, he also says that he completely missed 29.Qe4! and panicked at first when he saw this move, until he found a way to a (likely) draw. "After 31...Re3 I wasn't calculating anything, I was just shaking".|
|Nov-11-09|| ||Shams: does 23.Qa6 lead nowhere for white?|
|Nov-11-09|| ||Eyal: <does 23.Qa6 lead nowhere for white?>|
Probably not, because Black can counter-attack White's pawn weakness: 23...Nd5 24.Qxb5 Nxe3.
|Nov-11-09|| ||Hesam7: @Eyal he also talks about Aronian's suggestion: 32. Bc6. In the ensuing analysis it seems that White retained some winning chances after Anand's 32. ... Qd8 33. Qxe6+ Kh8 34. Be8! Qd5+ 35. Qxd5 Nxd5 36. Bg6 Kg8 37. Bf7+ Kh7 38. Bxd5 Rxe5:|
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although Anand thinks he can hold this.
|Nov-11-09|| ||Eyal: <Hesam7> <he also talks about Aronian's suggestion: 32. Bc6. In the ensuing analysis it seems that White retained some winning chances after Anand's 32. ... Qd8 33. Qxe6+ Kh8 34. Be8! Qd5+ 35. Qxd5 Nxd5 36. Bg6 Kg8 37. Bf7+ Kh7 38. Bxd5 Rxe5 although Anand thinks he can hold this.>|
Yeah, 32.Bc6 with the threat of mate by Rf8+! is a cute idea. Moreover, engine analysis indicates that 32...Qd8 is definitely losing for Black after 33.g5! e.g. 33...hxg5 34.Qf7+ Kh8 35.Qh5+ Kg8 and now 36.Be8! when Black cannot force a queen exchange; so the right move for Black appears to be 32...Qc5! though maybe White can still keep the game alive by 33.Qxe6+ Kh7 34.Qf5+ Kg8 35.Be4 Rxe4 36.Qxe4 (I've mentioned this line during the live kibitzing, btw - see p.7).
|Nov-11-09|| ||Bdellovibrio: <Eyal> thanks I'll take a look.|
|Nov-12-09|| ||Eyal: I've heard Joel Benjamin's analysis of this game on ICC and he mentions 32.Bc6! Qd8? 33.g5! hxg5 34.Qf7+ Kh8 35.Qh5+ Kg8 36.Be8! as a winning line for White as well, making the nice point that the black rook on e3 actually helps in White's defence here, shielding the white king from possible checks by the black queen. |
He also mentions that after 32.Bc6 Qc5! a similar idea wouldn't work: 33.Qe8+ Kh7 34.g5 hxg5 35.Qh5+ Kg8 36.Be8 - and now, with the black queen defending against the Rf8+ idea, Black somehow survives after 36...Rxe5! (clearing the d6 square for the king in case of 37.Bf7+ Kf8 38.Qh8+ Ke7 39.Qe8+) e.g. 37.Bf7+ Kf8 38.Bxe6+ Ke7 39.Qf7+ Kd6 40.Rd1+ Kc6 41.Bd7+ Kb7 42.Bxb5+ Re7 43.Qf3+ Kc7 and the king escapes.
At any rate, 32.Bc6 would certainly have been more challenging for Anand, especially since, as the press conference shows, he didn't quite figure out the right way to play against it (although that might have changed, of course, if he had faced the move in the actual game and had to commit himself to a reply on the board).
|Nov-12-09|| ||anandrulez: Yes seems like a lucky escape for Vishy which is not quite good for the WC! I really wish he plays better and not get into such positions ...|
|Nov-12-09|| ||KamikazeAttack: In the analysis Anand said 25, ... Nd5 was a definite draw but he wanted more so he risked 25, ... Qh4 instead.|
He tries, he's damned, he doesn't try he's damned too, sigh sigh sigh.
|Nov-12-09|| ||anandrulez: Can anyone post 32 .Bc6 evals from Rybka ?
And what does he mean by this "After 31...Re3 I wasn't calculating anything, I was just shaking". Was he nervous or soemthing ....
|Nov-12-09|| ||anandrulez: From Magnus blog
After an inaccuracy by the World Champion I missed one or two subtle chances to put some real pressure on him, and in the end I found nothing better than taking a perpetual check and a draw was agreed.
|Nov-12-09|| ||Eyal: Rybka (Chessok's, at least) probably evaluates 32.Bc6 as 0.00 or very close to it, otherwise it would have been mentioned as a better alternative to the move actually played by Carlsen (http://chessok.com/broadcast?key=ta...). But even if it's objectively drawn, the road to the draw is much more difficult for Black in this case, since he has to find a couple of accurate moves in a sharp and rather complex potion.|
Should be intresting, though, to look at the line 32.Bc6 Qc5 33.Qxe6+ Kh7
34.Be4+ Rxe4 35.Qf5+ Kg8 36.Qxe4 Qd5 37.Qxd5+ Nxd5 38.e6 c3 39.e7 Nxe7
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followed by Rxb5. The c-pawn should probably be enough for Black to hold the draw, but I'm not sure.
<And what does he mean by this "After 31...Re3 I wasn't [really] calculating anything, I was just shaking"> He says that half-jokingly, since he mentioned earlier that he didn't expect 29.Qe4 and so panicked a little when he saw it, until he found a way to draw.
|Nov-12-09|| ||anandrulez: Ahh Thnx Eyal hehe was nice to see a jovial press conf from Vishy
Link for those who have not checked it out .... http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/k... to see more resistance from vishy in future|
|Nov-12-09|| ||anandrulez: Ahh Thnx Eyal hehe was nice to see a jovial press conf from Vishy Link for those who have not checked it out .... http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/k... to see more resistance from vishy in future|
|Jul-28-10|| ||whiteshark: Carlsen-Anand according to Anand:
|Feb-16-18|| ||tgyuid: right; he said that dreams are explained by desire|
|Feb-16-18|| ||tgyuid: thats all, man|
|Feb-16-18|| ||tgyuid: i mean; read the book|
|Feb-16-18|| ||tgyuid: the most straightforward science ever published|
|Feb-16-18|| ||tgyuid: like; one hundred and fifty years and we still freak out over a glass of water|
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