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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Corus Group A (2010), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 13, Jan-31
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Anderssen Variation (C77)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Jan-31-10  Knight13: <eternaloptimist, badest> Yes, yes, he didn't do bad. But he was no longer Mr. Fast Lane soon as he had to get in line with the upper class, was he? Failed high roller, seriously.
Jan-31-10  Magnusch: <Domdaniel> About the new rule for the kings (only in pieceless endings).

I think it's enough for allowing the king to go one or two squares <in the same direction> as you suggested. Otherwise it should be too strong.

Btw, I don't like the <en passant> move. I guess it was invented in the same time as the pawns were allowed to move two squares ahead from the start square!? I think it is a stupid and unnecessary move (e.p.).

Jan-31-10  Magnusch: Of course, mu suggestion shouldn't be taken too seriously, because it is only brainstorming..
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  eternaloptimist: <Knight13> agreed..."the upper class" definitely slowed shirov down. it's too bad because he doesn't win trnts. much anymore, whereas carlsen wins a lot of the trnts..
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  chancho: He won Mtel last year, so Shirov still has something left.
Jan-31-10  refutor: i think you guys are being too hard on shirov...when fischer/tal/kasparov/etc. got all those big scores in tournaments, they would draw v. their peers and pound the tailenders...shirov was following the recipe for success ;)
Jan-31-10  SatelliteDan: Wouldn't the "upper class" iclude Shirov since he tied for 2nd?
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  eternaloptimist: yes, mtel was a nice win for him. he definitely isn't washed up yet, but trnt. wins r still rare for him.
Jan-31-10  euripides: Reverting to 42.Ne3; I think the point may be that the knight cannot even sacrifice itself for the h pawn, so although White at least in some lines does get to queen he is then a piece down. E.g. - this is an illustrative line and there may well be better for both sides - 42.Ne3 Kg5 43.Kc3 Nxg2 44.Ng4 Kf4 45.Kb4 Kxf3 46.Nh2+ Kg3 47.Nf1+ Kf2 48.Nh2 Ne3 49.Kxa4 Kg2 50.Kb5 Kxh2 51.a4 Kg3 (Nc2 52.a5 Nd4+ 53.Kb6 Ne6 54.a6) 52.a5 h3 53.a6 h2 etc. In this line the black knight is impeded from getting to the queenside by the e pawn, but even if it could get to the queenside a lone knight against a king and rook's pawn achieves only a perpetual repetition rather than a stable blockade (the knight does better against other pawns).
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  Domdaniel: < Of course, mu suggestion shouldn't be taken too seriously, because it is only brainstorming..> On the contrary, I take any suggestion from <mu> seriously, whether the fabulous Queen or the lost continent.

And brainstorming is the source of so much creativity ...

Jan-31-10  Magnusch: <Domdaniel: ...And brainstorming is the source of so much creativity>

Hmm.. you have a point there I think. But may poor brain storms too much... generally speaking I think. I have zillions of ideas but 99.99999... % of them is bad. :-(

But that doesn't matter. I'm happy and <enjoying life>.

Jan-31-10  Magnusch: I was going to ask you what in ... did you mean by <mu>...

Then I saw it.. LOL!

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  chancho: Carlsen kicking butt in Corus:

Jan-31-10  zarg: <chancho>
This is more fitting for Carlsen's bug crushing though:
Jan-31-10  chessmoron: Caruana could really pressure Carlsen if he had played 46...Nb4. After they trade off the pawns, Caruana will be up a pawn and the advantage will be slight better.
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  OhioChessFan: <31...Ra3> might have won the game for Caruana.
Jan-31-10  Shams: <<31...Ra3> might have won the game for Caruana.> 32.Bb3 in response?
Jan-31-10  euripides: <shams, ocf> The rook does look in some trouble on a3. One amusing line is <31...Ra3 32.Bb3> Ra5 (or a5 33.Kc3 a4 34.Kb2) 33.c6 bxc6 34.Kc3 Rc5 (or c5 when the rook is imprisoned) 34.Rd1 (threatening Kb4 Nd7 Rxd7) a5 35.a4 and the rook will find it very hard to escape.
Jan-31-10  chillowack: <Domdaniel: <Karnak> -- < Isn't "the b4 jokes" the name of a rock band?> Icelandic, I think, originally "B4 Jokul". Their singer is B4ork, and the drummer is NFork.>

LOL ;)

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  Richard Taylor: Stupid I thought Carlsen had played a "profound" move when he exchanged his B on f6 because I had seen he was now the highest rated player in the world!! Then his position actually wasn't that good. Or maybe his h4 was the dodgy move...
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  OhioChessFan: 31...Ra3 32. Bb3 Ra5 33. c6 <Rb5> and I like Black's chances.

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eg 34. Bc4 Rxc5 35. Bxf7 a5 and I wouldn't want to be White trying to hold the Queenside Pawns.

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Feb-01-10  euripides: <Ocf> I think you have a different position. After your variation <31...Ra3 32. Bb3 Ra5 33. c6 <Rb5>>I get

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with White to move.

Feb-02-10  Ulhumbrus: 17...h6 disturbs the King side pawns without necessity. An alternative is 17...Bg7 and on 18 h5 Bc8 eg 19 Qg3 Qf6 20 Qh4 h6
Feb-19-10  Minty: <Ulhumbrus: 17...h6 disturbs the King side pawns without necessity. >

Not without necessity. It's the only good move. 17... Bg7 allows 18. exd5 cxd5 19. Nxd5.

17... h6 leaves white in an awkward position because 18. Nh3 leaves the h4 pawn unprotected.

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  perfidious: <refutor: i think you guys are being too hard on shirov...when fischer/tal/kasparov/etc. got all those big scores in tournaments, they would draw v. their peers and pound the tailenders...>

If it had been possible to crush their peers, the players in question would hardly be considered 'peers'.

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