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Magnus Carlsen vs Jan Smeets
Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010) (blindfold), Nice FRA, rd 4, Mar-16
Hungarian Opening: General (A00)  ·  1-0



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Mar-19-10  krippp: Considered <Bg5> to be too "obvious" for a Friday, thus didn't even bother to examine it further.

Like some others, went for <33.Rd6+>, and got stumped for a while. Then I found a move that hasn't been mentioned yet: <34.Rd8!> wins by threatening <35.Bd2+ Re4 36.Bc3+ Kf4 37.Rf2+ Kg5 38.Rxf7>.

Black's best defense is <34..Kf6>, after which the simple <35.Bd4+ Kg5 36.Kg3> forces Black to sacrifice the exchange. White has a won game.

Rybka 3 also found the brilliant <35.Rd4!>, which is overwhelmingly winning for White.

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  OBIT: I'm looking at this position 11 hours after it was posted, so I'm sure all the interesting lines have been found by now. I'll just post my thinking process...

33. Rd6 looks like a winning move. The win is definitely there after 33...Ke7 34. Bg5+ Rf6 35. exf6+ Kxd6 36. fxg7. The critical move must be 33...Ke5, except, um, then I'm not sure what to do, since none of the discovered checks look immediately decisive. Maybe 34. Red2 comes next.

Maybe there is another way to win here. This doesn't look like a puzzle move, but OTB I'd be considering 33. Bg5, threatening Rd6#. Black has to move the f7 rook to stop the mate. Now 33...Rd7 is no good because of 34. Rxd7 Kxd7 35. e6+ Ke8 36. Rd2, but 33...Rc7 or 33...Rf8 may be okay. Then I guess White continues 34. Rd6+ Kf7 35. e6+. Now my thinking is getting a little fuzzy, but the pawn looks strong.

OK, 33. Rd6 or 33. Bg5, which one...? Just going on instinct, I think 33. Bg5 is the move I'd play OTB. One move lets me keep the e-pawn, so I guess that's as good a reason as any to play it.

Mar-19-10  YouRang: It took me a moment to notice that 33.Bg5 was an immediate mate threat (Rd6#), but once I did notice that the rest fell into place pretty directly.

Black has no satisfactory way to stop the mate except 33...Rd7, but then 34.Rxd7 Kxd7 35.e6+ and black now lacks a good way to stop the pawn [diagram]

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If 34...Ke8 then 35.Rd2 again threatens mate via Rd8#.

If 34...Kd6 (preparing to guard e8 with Nc7) then 35.Bd8!

If 34...Kc8 (preventing Bd8) then 35.e7 Nc7 36.e8=Q Nxe8 37.Rxe8+ and white wins easily.

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  Jimfromprovidence: For those who don't see that 33 Rd6+ Kxe5 below, also wins, try moving the d rook out of harms way next.

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34 Rdd2 (or Rd8 or Rd1 all win. The immediate threat is 35 Bd4+, forcing the black king to f4, which skewers the f rook after Rf2+).

34...Kf6 is forced to prevent the rook loss. Now, 35 comes Rd4!

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The following is from my original post.

“Now, assuming 35...Rxd4, then 36 Bxd4+ Kg5 37 Re6 (threatening 38 Bd3+). Now white wins after 37...Rf6 38 Bxf6+ gxf6 39 Re7, etc.”

Mar-19-10  tarek1: <YouRang>
in the variation 34...Rc8
<white wins easily>
I agree but perhaps it's even more radical to do 36.Rd2 threatening Rd8+ (the knight can't move without allowing a queen). For example
37.Rd8+ Ka7
38.Be3+ Ka6
39.Bb6 attacking the knight with the idea of Ra8#
Mar-19-10  tarek1: humm sorry it's not mate, but white forces a queen... overwhelming anyway :)
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  OBIT: Playing around with the position, it's clear that 33. Bg5 is the easier win. I was having a little trouble trying to visualize the possibilities after the various rook moves by Black, but, after setting the position up, it didn't take a lot of analysis to see that none of those moves offer any hope. Of course, my inability to visualize everything from the diagram is a pretty lame excuse, seeing how Carlsen managed to visualize it all blindfolded. :)
Mar-19-10  Bobby Fiske: Hmmm, there IS something familiar with this game...
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  patzer2: <johnlspouge> Looked up the definition of "exsanguinate," and it sort of reminds me of an expression my grandmother used to say about "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Seems like a pretty appropriate description of throwing away ridiculous amounts of material to delay an obvious and unavoidable mate -- unless of course time on the clock is a factor.

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  agb2002: White has a bishop for a knight. Black threatens 33... Re4 (33... Kxe5 34.Bf4+ Kxf4 –34... Kf6 35.Rd6#- 35.Rf1+ Kg5 36.Rxf7) and 34... Rxe5.

The black king looks dangerously exposed after 33.Bg5, creating a mating net:

A) 33... Rd7 34.Rxd7 Kxd7 35.e6+

A.1) 35... Ke8 36.Rd2 and Black has to sacrifice his rook with 36... Rc2 to avoid mate in one.

A.2) 35... Kc8 36.e7 Nc7 37.e8=Q+ Nxe8 38.Rxe8+ Kd7 39.Re7+ and 40.Rxg7 + - [B].

A.3) 35... Kd6 36.e7 Nc7 37.e8=Q Nxe8 38.Rxe8 Ra4 (38... Rc5 39.Be7+ Kd7 40.Bxc5 Kxe8 41.Kf3 + - [B vs P]) 39.Bd2 Ra2 40.Re2 + - [B vs P].

B) 33... Rc7 34.Rd6+ Kf7 35.Rf2+ and mate in two.

C) 33... Rf8 34.Rd6+ Kf7 35.e6+ (35.Rf2+ Kg8 (35... Ke8 36.Rd8#) 36.Rxf8+ Kxf8 37.e6 Nc7 looks more complicated) Kg8 (35... Ke8 36.Rd8#; 35... Kg6 36.e7+ wins) 36.e7 Re8 (36... Ra(b,c)8 37.Rd8+ wins) 37.Rd8 Nc7 (37... Kf7 38.Rf2+ wins) 38.Rxe8+ Nxe8 39.Rf2 h6 (39... Nf6 40.Rxf6 + -) 40.Rf8+ Kh7 41.Rxe8 hxg5 42.Rh8+ Kxh8 43.e8=Q+ Kh7 44.Qh5+ Kg8 45.Qxg5 + - [Q vs R].

D) 33... Re7 34.Rd6+ (34.Bxe7 should also win) Kf7 35.e6+

D.1) 35... Ke8 36.Red2 Rxe6 (36... Kf8 37.Rd8+ Re8 38.Rxe8+ Kxe8 39.Rd8#) 37.Rxe6+ + - [R+B vs N+P].

D.2) 35... Kf8 36.Rd8+ Re8 37.Rf2+ and mate in two.

D.3) 35... Kg8 36.Rd8+ Re8 37.Rxe8#.

D.4) 35... Kg6 36.Bxe7 + - [R+B vs N].

Mar-19-10  ROO.BOOKAROO: For once, I spotted the right move on a Friday puzzle. The black King has no square to move, and so 34.Rd6 is the danger, and it is clear that Black has to protect himself agaisnt Rd6, with 33. ...Rd7. White is forced to take the rook with 34.Rxd7 and then 34. ... Kxd7 but I couldn't see any further, which is a good reminder that I still am at best a Monday and perhaps, on good days, a Tuesday solver. Still, it's a nice feeling to have spotted at least the right initial move. All this trumpet-blowing has no value to anybody but perhaps only for purposes of statistical survey of right vs wrong guesses.
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  agb2002: <gofer: ...

33 ... Rff4 34 Rd6+ Kf7 35 e6+ Kg6 36 Bxf4 Rxf4 37 e7+ mating>

I didn't pay any attention to this line, but also after 35.e6+ Kg8 36.Rd8+ Rf8 37.e7 wins (37... Rcf4 38.Bxf4, etc.).

Mar-19-10  hedgeh0g: I don't see why CG decided to set a puzzle from such a recent and well-known high-level game...
Mar-19-10  MaczynskiPratten: It always astonishes me how many different puzzle positions CG manage to find day by day. But perhaps, judging from the last month or so, even they are beginning to run dry?
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  chrisowen: <Patriot> I predict apt when my language computes, most of the time is not very pretty I tell thee. In my book the prophecies appear at random so it isnt a rose pill or panacea for all. Ha don't look to take the michel that is centuries ago.
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  johnlspouge: < <patzer2> wrote: <johnlspouge> Looked up the definition of "exsanguinate," [snip] >

My (British) father also liked the saying, "Cutting off your nose to spite your face."

If you enjoyed the word "exsanguinate" (which the spell-checker in my browser refuses to recognize), you might also enjoy a surgical saying:

"All bleeding stops."

The saying is not as optimistic as first it sounds, so it does seem delightfully relevant to your variation ;>)

Mar-19-10  wals: Rybka 3 1-cpu: 3071 mb hash: depth 15:

Black's error

32...Rxc4 + 7.66, better was Rd7 + 0.67

Mar-19-10  ROO.BOOKAROO: Going through the game, I wonder why White didn't push the pawn e4-e5 on the 12th move, instead of 12. h3? This kind of elementary fork is what club players relish and would never pass up. What's the danger for White in this 12. e5? push? I am not sharp enough to see it. Or was it less obvious because of the blindness aspect? What do the fine analysts have to say to this neglect of the fork?
Mar-19-10  WhiteRook48: 33 Bg5! duh
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  whiteshark: oh my, is it really that simple?
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  OBIT: <johnlspouge>Gee, the posters who have never seen that word "exsanguinate" must not be familiar with the season 1 "X Files" episode ("Eve") where an eight-year old girl uses "exsanguinated" to describe her father's murder. Her correct use of the word tips Mulder off that there is something very odd about the girl. Mulder, that guy missed nuthin'.
Mar-19-10  RandomVisitor: After 12.h3, black might try 12...d4! and then after 13.Nd1 we have:

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Rybka 3:

[-0.22] d=19 13...Bc7 14.Bd2 Qe7

Mar-19-10  King.Arthur.Brazil: I fail...I see Bg5, but seeemed too obvious, so I went on Kg3, so if Kxe5 Bf4+d and I imagine a mate in a few. But the treat was Td6+ Kxe5 then Bf4++. Unfortanelly the simple Tc3 stop this combination. The move Bg5 was best and easy.I need a night sleep... Good evening everybody.
Jul-07-10  tentsewang: No more exciting Fischer- Morphy games these days, only winning matters today with a boring and simple chess.
Mar-05-11  Blunderdome: I submitted the pun "g3 star" for this game back when the announcement about Magnus doing G Star came out. It's hardly topical anymore, though.
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