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Magnus Carlsen vs Vladimir Kramnik
Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010) (blindfold), Nice FRA, rd 8, Mar-21
Queen's Gambit Declined: Vienna Variation (D39)  ·  0-1



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Kibitzer's Corner
Mar-21-10  Sequoia: Curtain. Lose the Queen or mate in 3.
Mar-21-10  luzhin: Very unlike Carlsen to miss that 37.hxg7 has the cataclysmic threat of 38.Qh7+!! and would have forced Kramnik to go for a perpetual; admittedly that would have been an amazing escape, given how totally lost Carlsen had been.
Mar-21-10  TheMacMan: Kramnik is back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar-21-10  Aspirador: It's not like Carlsen or Kramnik would have missed 38.Qh7+. I think what both missed is the line: 37.hxg7 Qf3+ 38.Kh2 Qxg2+ 39.Qxg2! e2 40.Qh3! Kxg7 41.Qg3+ and Qe1 with a probable draw. It's just this one sequence that suffices for white in this line.
Mar-21-10  polarmis: As nuwanda (and I think others) pointed out that line is totally winning for black. The white queen can't leave e1 (unless black's very careless), and Kramnik simply pushes his queenside pawns, queens one of them and wins. So with best play there was never a draw.
Mar-21-10  polarmis: Here's Kramnik from the official site! I wonder if he saw it all during the game!?

<Carlsen even got a golden chance to save his skin with 37.hxg7. The engines immediately indicate this possibility as a draw, but Kramnik begged to differ. According to him there may be drawing chances for White, but he believed that Black is winning after the amazing line: 37.hxg7 Qf3+ 38.Kh2 Qxg2+ (38...Qf4+ 39.Kh3) 39.Qxg2 e2 40.Qh3 Kxg7 41.Qg3+ Kf8 42.Qe1 b5 43.Kg3 Re5 and White will have to sweat to make a draw. After Carlsen missed this chance the game was soon over.>

Mar-21-10  jon01: Magnus on his blog:

<In the blindfold game I sacrificed a pawn in the opening, for which I had reasonable compensation. I then proceeded to misplay position completely, and use up all my time. After he played a bit inaccurately, I had some chances again, but I did not take them, and lost like a complete idiot.>

Mar-22-10  luzhin: Aspirador, if Carlsen had not missed the possibility of 38.Qh7+ he would certainly have played 37.hxg7-- after 37.Qh5 he has no chance at all. Hence his remark after the game that "I had some chances, but I did not take them."
Mar-22-10  vuchamchi: hey i wonder why kramnid did not capture the pawn at 8th move?
Mar-22-10  geladar: <In the blindfold game I sacrificed a pawn in the opening, for which I had reasonable compensation. I then proceeded to misplay position completely, and use up all my time. After he played a bit inaccurately, I had some chances again, but I did not take them, and lost like a complete idiot.>

So many "I" and just one "he"! I love the way egoistic megalomaniacs try to handle defeats!

Mar-22-10  luzhin: Egotistical egomaniacs do not say that they have played "like a complete idiot". And, by the way, you have just used the first personal singular yourself.
Mar-22-10  whatthefat: <geladar>

Which pronoun would you prefer? Or perhaps third person would be better. He could refer to himself as The Master of Chaos.

"After Kramnik played a bit inaccurately, The Master of Chaos had some chances again, but The Master of Chaos did not take them, and lost like a complete idiot"

That's much better.

Mar-22-10  micartouse: <whatthefat> haha, actually that is better. He could also try using "we" for a little bit of a Capablanca feel.
Mar-23-10  Magnusch: <hxg7 was NOT a draw> I have analysed the line Kramnik gave after the game (and other lines too):

37.hxg7 Qf3+ 38.Kh2 Qxg2+ (38...Qf4+ 39.Kh3) 39.Qxg2 e2 40.Qh3 Kxg7 41.Qg3+ Kf8 42.Qe1 b5 43.Kg3 Re5

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...and my (patzer) conclusion is that this is a win for black (at least in theory!).

First, black will move his king to f7, hence there are no check from the queen.There is no way to stop black from creating a passed pawn on the Q-side. There are also no way for the queen to leave e1 (allow black to queen his pawn at e2) and go for perpetuals. Black will escape these checks and then it's good bye for white.

<The only idea left for white> to reach a position like this...

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...and now the line 1...b4 2.cxb4 cxb4 3.axb4 axb4 is a DRAW! (4.Qxb4! e1Q 5.Qxe1 Rxe1 6.Kxe1 and an easy draw).

But this was only a dream for white.. This is of course an (easy) win for black.

If I had missed something, don't hesitate to speak out Ladies & Others. Thank you all!

Go Carlsen! Go Chuky! Go Amber!

Mar-23-10  Nezhmetdinov: Classic stuff, <whatthefat>, classic stuff.
Mar-26-10  geladar: <luzhin && whatthefat>

Classic stuff, <chessgames>, classic stuff..there r always people that need special posts to understand pretty simple points. I ll try one more time to explain it but I m afraid that my english are not up to the task to make rusty minds understand this.

By condeming himself for not playing well he cloaks the fact that maybe it was not up to him to save the game, that maybe kramnik is just better (I m not saying that he is but I am pretty sure that carlsen has this fear in his mind pretty strongly).Calling himself an idiot and putting so many "I" in his post help him to avoid dealing with certain things and creates illutions like "it was my mistake and not his brilliance". His post reveals that he doesn't really believe in his superiority. Just remember the way kramnik handled his loss to carlsen (in the english opening). Few people noticed but his reaction was full of confidence. Believe me, it takes big @@ to have a reaction like kramnik's.You would understand all these better from your personal experiences in live games.

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  tamar: <gelador> You make some fair points. But I think every player, including Kramnik, cloaks his true feelings when giving post mortems about a loss.

To me, Carlsen is fighting his tendency to give too much away in blogs and interviews. He says for example in an interview, that he needed the rest day to get back his composure after losing rounds to Gashimov and Kramnik.

He explains his blog style by saying that it is for his corporate sponsor, and that it would be different, ie having more chess related comments, including variations, if he was writing just for his chess audience.

I do think the Kramnik games troubled him, more so that he could not just identify one mistake in them, but Kramnik seemed to outplay him in all phases of the games.

It is a pity they can not play a stakes match at this time. I would not know who to favor, but Kramnik looks to have the uppper hand right now.

Jul-06-10  Brandon plays: Haha, if we are all honest, who really cares to admit that the other person who beat you was more clever. I certainly don't. It takes an extremely convincing pounding to make me admit that I am outclassed.
Jul-06-10  Brandon plays: Honestly I think Magnus could handle Kramnik quite well. If you look at how he handles everybody else, it is silly to say that Kramnik is more clever or a better chess player. Just remember Qh7#. Now that was sad...
Jul-06-10  Kaspablanca: Brandon plays: Kramnik is diferent, in a match the Russian would be Carlsen no matter if his rating reaches 2900, i said in a post that the only player who outplays Kramnik is Anand.
Jul-21-10  Brandon plays: After looking over all the games that they've had together I can say that I think that Kramnik will be a very difficult player for Carlsen to beat. However, I think part of the problem with the current game as an example is that this is blindfold chess. If you look at the record of games, Kramnik has won or drawn all of the games against Carlsen in blindfold chess. I honestly think Carlsen would do better as he has demonstrated especially in rapid/blitz settings.
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  sbevan: Beautiful game by GMK, IMHO.

I looked at the CG database. To quote:

<Overall record: Vladimir Kramnik beat Magnus Carlsen 10 to 6, with 13 draws.* * Based on games present in our database; may not be complete.>

Nov-02-13  Xeroxx: Great game.

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