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Alexander Grischuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010) (blindfold), Nice FRA, rd 11, Mar-25
King's Indian Defense: Accelerated Averbakh Variation (E70)  ·  1-0

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Mar-25-10  Sularus: 26. Qxe4
Mar-25-10  jmboutiere: 6...c5 - 0.08 rybka 3
12...f4 + 0.15
21...Bb5 + 0.08; 21...Qd7 + 0.34
25...Qe4 + 13.64; 25...Bb2 + 0.58
Mar-25-10
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  HeMateMe: I'll give Queen odds to anyone, even Nona Gaprandishvilli, me and Bob.
Mar-26-10  TheMacMan: whoever is playing from the black side is very weak, would morphy, capablanca or fischer make this move Qxe4??????? i dont think so, no not ever.
Mar-26-10
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  alexmagnus: <TheMacMan> I can find you a one-move blunder by <each> of these players.

For some bizarre reason, a one-move blundered queen is considered a worse move than a one-move blundered pawn, but to me both are equally bad. If you blunder something in one move, it's only random which exactly piece it is.

Mar-26-10  randomsac: I was wondering why Carlsen would make such a move, and then I realized it was a blindfold match. It's still a terrible move, but at least he has a very legitimate excuse. I doubt I could even make 10 legal moves in a row blindfolded, let alone win a game.
Mar-26-10  cionics: If I were playing white at this point, I'm still pretty certain Magnus would win!
Mar-27-10  lost in space: 25...Bxb2+ and Black is fine.

e.g 26. Kxb2 Qf6+ 27. e5 Qxf1 =

Mar-27-10  notyetagm: <randomsac: <<<I was wondering why Carlsen would make such a move, and then I realized it was a blindfold match.>>> It's still a terrible move, but at least he has a very legitimate excuse. I doubt I could even make 10 legal moves in a row blindfolded, let alone win a game.>

Without having actual sight of the board, Carlsen simply forgot that White had played 18 ♕d2-e3 so that the White e4-pawn was defended, hence 25 ... ♕h4xe4?? 26 ♕e3x♕e4 1-0.

Mar-29-10  operative: <It's still a terrible move, but at least he has a very legitimate excuse. I doubt I could even make 10 legal moves in a row blindfolded, let alone win a game.>

I agree! HOW DO THEY DO IT???

Mar-29-10  tonsillolith: <<It's still a terrible move, but at least he has a very legitimate excuse. I doubt I could even make 10 legal moves in a row blindfolded, let alone win a game.>

I agree! HOW DO THEY DO IT???>

It's not as hard as you might think at first. With some familiarity with the board and the notation and some practice, it is quite possible. I think many avid chessplayers could play a game blindfolded, at least up until move 30 or so.

I have even worked my way up to a 3-game blindfold simul against extremely weak opposition, as practice to develop my visualization abilities.

I won two of the games and lost one, but anyway I sure felt like the gears in my head were doing some grinding.

Mar-30-10  operative: tonsillolith: Do you have to really visualize the board in your head? Or can you just go by theory if you have a good memory?
Mar-31-10  drnooo: Ive said it before here: but apparently it bears repeating. Some grandmasters can see the board as clearly blindfold as they can at it. My guess is it has to do with the same ability everyone has when they dream. Look at how clearly you can see things then, extremely clearly, its probably the same faculity in some waking. Who knows it may even be more acute with schizpphrenics etc who are waking dreamers. Probably just as well most of us don't have it that acutely.
Mar-31-10  SRILANKANMASTER: sigh..im afraid, my dear drnoo, that our theory on blindfold chess is rather incorrect, and is, unfortunately, reflective of a teeny weeny lack of chess ability upon your part..(of course, I obviously know a litttle of these matters, being a mster myself, and it would certainly be unfair to try to rate you by my own rather high standards, being as I am, a master of some skill,:) but it really does pain me to see the ignorance at chess that you people seem to have here. Perhaps I could give you a little coaching some time, when Im free, to help you to come out of your ignorance...
Apr-01-10
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  Richard Taylor: I don't take much notice of these blind fold games - I just file it all away under "freak stuff". Maybe these guys have extra brain lobes!

But as we are not computers even with alien brains they "mis-see" things even with sight of the board as in fact Carlsen did once - when he blundered a piece in a rapid game and then asked for his move back!!

But this is freako stuff and not a part of real chess.

Apr-01-10  tonsillolith: <tonsillolith: Do you have to really visualize the board in your head? Or can you just go by theory if you have a good memory?>

I try to visualize the board as completely as I can, and after a couple tries I could visualize quite well for 20 to 30 moves, depending on how complicated the position got. As an added difficulty I tried flipping the board between sides so I could see from both angles.

It certainly does help to know a lot of the theory. One interesting thing I found about remembering the pieces is that you can also use auditory memory to facilitate. For example if you are trying to remember where the queen is, you can just think back to the last time you heard someone say, "Queen to ___".

Apr-01-10  Whack8888: <tonsillolith> I try to do some blind fold games every now and then, and I can definitely feel the gears in my head grinding. It hurts quite a bit!
Apr-04-10  kingfu: drnooo, you need to see my post in Humphrey Bogart. "What do you figure the dingus is worth?"
Apr-23-10  SRILANKANMASTER: lol..sigh..you people simply do NOT know the first thing about blindfold chess, do you..
Jun-13-10  LarsenBentYou: This would have been funny if Grischuk, under some time pressure, was so psyched out by this move that he simply ignored the Queen!
Sep-04-10  notyetagm: http://amberchess2010.com/RoundRepo...
Feb-18-11  kevins55555: Carlsen Blunder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should show that to Carlsen and see his reaction.

Feb-18-11
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  Penguincw: You can watch Carlsen's blunder at http://amberchess2010.com/index.htm... on the first video and watch at 0:55.
Feb-18-11
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  Phony Benoni: I hear that White's 26th move will be the Sunday puzzle over at nnchess.com.
Sep-16-11  Xeroxx: Moment of blindness.
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