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François André Philidor vs Cotter
"Welcome Back Cotter" (game of the day Apr-15-2013)
London (1789) (unorthodox), ?, Jan-11
Chess variants (000)  ·  1-0

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Feb-26-11
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  chrisowen: <caissafan1963><Patriot> hanker free kingside mardi gras Luther (g4 bishop) ail campaign ie knights on g6 h5 took danish twist. Fahrvergnugen diet in worms take b7 robatsch am suspecting h3 and brim 13 24 pict rasa tabula wet tar it esop. assuage gcolumn

1. Nf3 d6 2. c4 e5 3. Nc3 h6 4. d4 Nc6 5. d5 Nce7 6. h3 g5 7. e4 Bg7 8. Qb3 f5 9. Bd3 b6 10. Qc2 f4 11. Bd2 Nf6 12. O-O O-O 13. b4 Ng6 14. c5 Rf7 15. Qa4 g4 16. hxg4 Bxg4 17. Be2 Bxf3 18. Bxf3 Nh4 19. Be2 Bf8 20. cxd6 cxd6 21. f3 Nh5 22. Rf2 Ng3 23. Bb5 Ng6 24. Bc6 Qh4 25. Rff1 Rd8

Feb-18-13
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  FSR: Welcome Back, Cotter.
Apr-15-13  vinidivici: Good primordial game!
Apr-15-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  mike1: black would still be in the game after
16... 0-0!
Apr-15-13  Abdel Irada: <chrisowen: 1. Nf3 d6 2. c4 e5 3. Nc3 h6 4. d4 Nc6 5. d5 Nce7 6. h3 g5 7. e4 Bg7 8. Qb3 f5 9. Bd3 b6 10. Qc2 f4 11. Bd2 Nf6 12. O-O O-O 13. b4 Ng6 14. c5 Rf7 15. Qa4 g4 16. hxg4 Bxg4 17. Be2 Bxf3 18. Bxf3 Nh4 19. Be2 Bf8 20. cxd6 cxd6 21. f3 Nh5 22. Rf2 Ng3 23. Bb5 Ng6 24. Bc6 Qh4 25. Rff1 Rd8>

Error. Cannot parse. Not in <chrisowen> dialect.

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Apr-15-13  Tired Tim: Those of a non-USA persuasion, whether or not mourning the death of The Blessed Margaret, may wish to know that "Welcome Back, Kotter is an American television sitcom starring Gabe Kaplan and featuring a young John Travolta". Bless.
Apr-15-13  morfishine: Cotter pin
Apr-15-13  Abdel Irada: <morfishine: Cotter pin>

Well ... Cotter *was* subjected to a few pins in the course of this game.

Apr-15-13  morfishine: <Abdel Irada> My first thought was Cotter pinned

17.Rxe7 comes to mind

Apr-15-13
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  kevin86: I liked the dance of the bishop and queen.

Is it a "ritual mating dance" lol

Apr-15-13  ajile: 4..Qxd5 has a low survival rate for Black according to the database:

Opening Explorer

The more popular 4..Nf6 has a much better reputation and better results.

I've read that the Falkbeer Counter Gambit is a solid way to defang the King's Gambit.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/che...

Apr-15-13  vinidivici: <ajile>

<4..Qxd5 has a low survival rate for Black according to the database:>

loll... really...you should READ what the kind of chess is this game.

4.Qxd5 is no problem at all...

And this is not Falkbeer variation of Kings gambit.

READ!!!

Apr-15-13  anjyplayer: Far easy game to include as game of the day
Apr-15-13  ajile: <vinidivici: <ajile> And this is not Falkbeer variation of Kings gambit.
READ!!!>

Hmm really? You are saying that:

1.e4 e5
2.f4 d5

is not the Falkbeer Counter Gambit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King's...

Maybe you should be the one to learn how to read.

Apr-15-13
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  perfidious: <ajile>: <vinidivici> is technically correct, as this is an odds game at QR; otherwise, this is indeed a Falkbeer.

If you favour the Falkbeer, after 3.exd5, it is stronger to play either 3....exf4 or 3....c6 4.Nc3 exf4 than the classical 3....e4, as recommended in the linked article.

Apr-16-13  vinidivici: <perfidious>
thats what i meant.

And the problem with some user that he dont want to be told what is right, 'And its a bit ridiculous, <ajile> said about <4..Qxd5 has a low survival rate for Black according to the database:>.

lolol., i just want to say, where the rook is??? ITS NOT FALKBEER...lolol

so funny!

Apr-16-13  ajile: Seriously?

You are on my case because the rook is missing?

Lame.

Here I'll make you happy. It's a FCG with White missing a Q-rook.

Apr-16-13  vinidivici: <ajile>

Knows himself wrong and still stubborn :(

Apr-16-13
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  keypusher: <vinidivici>

This is a silly argument even by cg standards, but I agree with ajile. Back in the days when odds games were commonplace, if White spotted Black a knight or a rook and played 1.e4 e5 2.f4 or 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4, an annotator would still generally call it a King's Gambit or an Evans, respectively.

Of course 4....Qxd5 is sound -- almost anything is, at odds of a rook. Even if Black played 4....Nc6?? I suppose he would still be "winning." But that doesn't make 4....Qxd5 a good move, or make the old cliches about not moving your queen too soon inapplicable.

Apr-16-13  vinidivici: <keypusher>

I agree.

But the argument is about "Is that opening in that game is Falkbeer Variation of kings gambit?"

I say NO, and im right..

For the exact answer look at <perfidious> post up there.

So <ajile> really has to learn how to admit a mistake from me. Be a Gentleman!!

In this game,
Zhao Jun vs Zhou Jianchao, 2012

I made a mistake putting a line, and a user told me so, and instead being a stubborn hot-headed user, i just admitted that right away. Thats a sportive behavior.

This is my last post in this board, im really over this.

Apr-16-13  paramount: I agree with <perfidious> and <vinidivci>

How come an opening named as the opening should be if the position is not exactly the same.

And in this case, the position lost one rook, so it cannot named Falkbeer.

<So <ajile> really has to learn how to admit a mistake from me. Be a Gentleman!!>

hahaha, are you really sure not a woman??

Anyway, end this ridiculous argument.

Apr-17-13  Abdel Irada: <vinidivici>: In your last post, I think you meant "sportsmanlike" or "sporting."

"Sportive" means playful or frolicsome.

Apr-17-13  Abdel Irada: <paramount: <So <ajile> really has to learn how to admit a mistake from me. Be a Gentleman!!>

hahaha, are you really sure not a woman??

Anyway, end this ridiculous argument.>

I agree. As <keypusher> said, the argument is ridiculous even by <chessgames.com> standards.

Your "woman" remark, incidentally, doesn't help. If a dispute is already absurd, you do not make it less so by contributing further absurdities.

Oct-16-14  ChessLover100: Where's the rook?
Oct-16-14
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  OhioChessFan: I realy can't believe the disagreement about the opening. If this is not a FCG, then we need an opening named for every single odds position you might come up with. Each and every Pawn that might be missing, excepting the 2 pawns of the variation, of course, and each piece that might be the odds.
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