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| Oct-04-12 | | Abdel Irada: <LJLMETAL>: <tcostin>'s error was already pointed out by <Phony Benoni>. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | morfishine: Of the two candidates (16.Bxf7+ & 16.Qxf7+), 16.Qxf7+ has more potential <16.Qxf7+ Rxf7 17.Rxf7> Double threat attacking the Knight & an exposed check <17...Qd4+> (17...Qd5 buys some time for Black if White plays 18.exd5 Kxf7
19.dxc6+...However, it fails outright to 18.Rxg7+ Kh8 19.exd5) Here I goofed with <18.Rf2+> overlooking the simplest of moves: 18.Kh1 |
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| Oct-04-12 | | Abdel Irada: Looking (finally) at the game, I see Black committed suicide. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | whiteshark: <rilkefan: I didn't see a good defense for black after Qxf7.> Neither do I. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | sneelu48: Abdel Irada: <They are still called elephants
In fact in Indian Chess -- Shatranj, rooks are called elehants and bishops are called camels. This is prevalent even today in the northern parts of India |
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| Oct-04-12 | | TimothyLucasJaeger: <26 Qxf7+ Rxf7 27 Rxf7> appears to win a piece. E.g. <27 ... Bf6 28 Rf1 Kh8 29 R1xf6 Qxf6 30 Rxf6> |
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| Oct-04-12 | | TimothyLucasJaeger: Hmm i overlooked the Qd4+ idea entirely. I guess my line against 27 ... Bf6 doesn't work since after 28 Rf1 black can play <28 ... Qd4+ 29 Kh1 Qxc4> Instead it looks like <28 Rxf6+ Kh8 29 Rf1> is the way to go. Black's knight is pinned because of the threat on f8, and white now threatens Rf7. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: White has s strongly entrenched bishop pair and a powerful line-up of majors on the semi-open file aimed at f7. Of course, white could safely grab with 16.Bxf7+(?) Kh8 and eventually convert the extra pawn to victory. However, white can win quickly with 16.Qxf7+! Rxf7 17.Rxf7, setting up a winning battery with immediate deadly threats of 18.Rxe7+ and Rxg7+. There is no satisfactory defense: A) 17... Ne6 (N-other 18.Rf8#) 18.Bxe6 Kh8 (18... Qd4+ 19.Kh1 changes nothing; other moves allow 19.Rf8#) 19.Bg7+ Kg8 20.Rxe7#. B) 17... Bf6 18.Rxf6+ Kh8 19.Raf1 Qd4+ 20.Kh1 Qc5 21.Rf7 Rg8 (Nf5 22.exf5) 22.Bxg7+ Kxg7 23.Rf8+ forces mate. C) 17... Bf8 18.Rxg7+ Kh8 19.Rg8#
D) 17... Bc5+ 18.Kh1 (threatening 19.Rxb7+ Kf8 20.Bxg7+ Ke8 21.Bf7#) Ne6 (18... Qh4 19.Rf4+ wins Q) 19.Bxe6 Kh8 (otherwise 20.Rf8#) 20.Bg7+ Kg8 21.Re7# E) 17... b5 18.Bb3 c5 19.Rxe7+(?) c4 20.Rxg7+ Kh8 21.dxc4 Qh4! regains a piece. E.1) 19.Bd5! (improves significantly, preserving all the threats) Qxd5 20.Rxg7+ wins. F) 17... Kh8 18.Bxg7+ Kg8 19.Rd7#
G) 17... Qd4+ 18.Kh1 Qxc4 19.Rxg7+ followed by dxc4 wins. G.1) 18... Qxb2 19.Raf1 Kh8 (otherwise 20.Rf8#) 20.Bxg7+ Kg8 21.Rxe7# Line E appears to be the best try. Time for review... |
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Oct-04-12
 | | al wazir: <mike1>: Thanks. Even more simply, <16. Qxf7+ Rxf7 17. Rxf7 Bc5+ 18. Kh1 Qh4> 19. Rf4+ Kh1 20. Rxh4, and white is up a ♖. And after 19. Raf1 my suggestion 19...Nf5 is refuted by 20. Rf8#. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | James D Flynn: Material is equal but White has 3 pieces attacking the pawn on f7, which is only twice defended. Candidates Bxf7+ and Qxf7+.
16.Bxf7+ Kh8 17.Qg4(threat 18.Bxg6 hxg6 19.Qxg6 Qg8(not Bf8 20.Rf7 and the N on g7 cannot be defended and cannot move because R xh7#) 20.Rf7 Bf8 21.Raf1 followed by Rxb7 or R c7 or d7 and R1 f.7)
16.Qxf7+ Rxf7 17.Rxf7 Bf8 18.Raf1 Kh8 19.Rxb7(if Rxf8+ Qxf8 20.Rxf8+ Rxf8 and White has 2 bishops plus a pawn for R,N, normally adequate compensation for the loss of the exchange but not clearly won) Rb8(Black cannot allow White to double Rs on the 7 rank) 20.Rxa7 Ra8 21.Raf7 now White threatens Rxf8+ and will emerge with 2 Bs plus 3 pawns for R and N, however, there is no hurry to simplify; he can first advance he a and b and c pawns and create united passed pawns on the Q-side . Black has no answer to the threatened pawn advance since Whites own K can take shelter on h2 since the diagonal h2 to b8 is blocked by the Black P on e5. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | Castleinthesky: An easier one for a Thursday. All White's pieces are focused on Black's "f" pawn, so it's intuitive that that is where the action will happen. The Queen with the Rook following is also fairly straight forward as it is a forced capture leading to a double check. |
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Oct-04-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <James D Flynn> After <16.Qxf7+ Rxf7 17.Rxf7 Bf8>:
click for larger viewWhite has mate in two. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | kaingero: .....discovered checks are the divebombers of chess...by ? |
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Oct-04-12
 | | perfidious: <kaingero> I have seen that attributed to Reuben Fine. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | kevin86: A brilliant queen sac ending in a double check/mate. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | gofer: I have been having fun against <Crafty EGT> http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... I didn't post my garbage, because after < 17 ... Qd4+>. White still has a lot of work to do! I think the simplest option is to trade back queen for rook and edge into a winning endgame by keeping Bc4 on the a2-g8 diagonal and letting our rook control the f file. The important thing to play g4 as early as possible to give the knight no moves! This looks pretty easy in hindsight, but it is by no means easy to find! |
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| Oct-04-12 | | agb2002: White has the bishop pair for a bishop and a knight. The convergence of three white pieces on f7 suggests 16.Qxf7+ Rxf7 (16... Kh8 17.B(Q)xg7#) 17.Rxf7: A) 17... Qd4+ 18.Kh1
A.1) 18... Qxc4 19.Rxg7+ and 20.dxc4 + - [R+P].
A.2) 18... Ne8(f5,h5) 19.Rf8#.
A.3) 18... Ne6 19.Bxe6 Kh8 20.Bg7+ Kg8 21.Rxe7#.
A.4) 18... Bf8 19.Rxg7+ Kh8 20.Rg8#.
A.5) 18... Bf6 19.Rxg7+ Kh8 (19... Kf8 20.Rg8+ Ke7 21.Rxa8 + - [2R+B+P vs Q]) 20.Rf7 Bh4 (20... Qf2 21.Bg7+ Kg8 22.Rxf6+) 21.Raf1 Qc5 22.Rf8+ Rxf8 23.Rxf8+ Qxf8 24.Bxf8 + - [B+P]. A.6) 18... Bg5 19.Bxg7
A.6.a) 19... Qxc4 20.dxc4 Kxf7 21.Bxe5 Re8 22.Bd4 Rxe4 23.Bxa7 Rxc4 24.c3 + /- [P]. A.6.b) 19... b5 20.Rd7+ bxc4 21.Rxd4 exd4 22.Bxd4 cxd3 23.cxd3 + - [2P]. A.7) 18... Bg5 19.Rd7+ Qxc4 (19... Kh8 20.Rxd4 exd4 21.Bxg5 + - [2B+P vs N]) 20.dxc4 Bxh6 21.Rad1 Ne6 22.Rxb7 followed by R1d7 looks bad for Black. A.8) 18... Bd6 19.Rxg7+ Kh8 20.Rxb7 with the double threat 21.Bg7# and 21.Rf1-Rf7. A.9) 18... b5 19.Rxe7+ bxc4 20.Rxg7+ Kh8 (20... Kf8 21.Rd7+) 21.Rf1 Qc5 22.Rgf7 Kg8 23.Rf8+ Rxf8 24.Rxf8+ Qxf8 25.Bxf8 Kxf8 26.dxc4 + - [2P]. B) 18... Bg5 19.Raf1 Kh8 20.Bxg5 Qxg5 21.Rf8+ Rxf8 22.Rxf8#. Other Black's moves are more or less similar to those after 17... Qd4+. |
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Oct-04-12
 | | chrisowen: I key it queen affable mishmash blacker knight drawing in h5 to g7 un-necessary it allow ground for combination f3 in land I a proof 16.Qxf7+ loaf in ogles son slide Rxf7 you lecture c4 ko now in manage d8 gives check nice orchestration bread and butter d4+ king up ply it h2 in he has h1 also queen dues out hint rookf7 at (alf lying guillotine). |
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Oct-04-12
| | chrisowen: Dawn bore as light can windmill f7 rocking a pummel eg stones throw away it e7 or g7 black drubbing boot horse in h5 and grasp in f8, see oaf heavy to metal it hammer in f3 good luck to queen sac one forensic in have kicker f7 rook to free capture in f1 clop upagain 17 Qd4+ king I leen on me sidestep in h2 a garrison built rookf7 e7 off in ray of lights 5g ment rook over f1 tour special request svaraj d4xc4 in sand queen off in dusted it polished jingle every it hope in healthy it piece up in lead queenf3 load just the knight ticket g7 to h5 get it is hog in rookf8# |
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| Oct-04-12 | | BOSTER: <Patriot> <I think white at least wins a pawn with 16.Qxf7 Rxf7 17.Rxf7 b5 18.Rxg7+ Kh8 19. Rg8+ Qxg8 20.Bxg8 Kxg8 , and I don't see anything better>. After 17...b5 white bishop can simple retreat to Bb3, and if 18...Kh8 19.Bxg7+ Kg8 20.Rxe7#. The main black's problem in this pos.,that white bishop has too much power,and black has nothing to block his actions. Moves like Qd4+ or Qd5 don't refute the combo. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | LucB: <Then again, I believe the French call them fools. :-) > In French the word for bishop is "fou", which can mean fool in a general sense. However, in a King/Queen/court context a better translation is jester. So you have the King (roi), Queen (dame), Jester (fou) Knight (cavalier), the Tower (tour) and the pawn (pion - from the Spanish "peón" I think..). |
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Oct-04-12
 | | FSR: Black is dead lost after 16.Qxf7+! Rxf7 17.Rxf7. |
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| Oct-04-12 | | BlackSheep: Phony Benoni: <tcostin. After <18...Qxc4>:
White plays <19.Rxg7+> before retaking the queen. I don't see Black doing better than <19...Kh8 20.dxc4 Bg5 21.Bxg5 Kxg7> when White is a piece ahead.
Why Bg5 when Bf8 forces the rook to move (Rxb7 i guess) then Bxh6 wins the piece back and leaves black the exchange down instead (plus the 2P obviously), hes still losing its just a more stubborn resistance . |
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| Oct-04-12 | | Patriot: <BOSTER> I agree completely with 18.Bb3. I considered it and realized it was strong but decided to hammer it out to see what happens. I found out the simplest line was in white's favor, even though I didn't think it was the best way to proceed. |
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| Oct-05-12 | | TheBish: R Liiva vs U Haavisto, 1993 White to play (16.?) "Medium"
Forgot to do this earlier, but it should be easy enough to solve in 5 minutes! 16. Qxf7+!! leads to a winning attack, stronger than winning a pawn with 16. Bxf7+. 16...Rxf7 (forced) 17. Rxf7 Qd4+
There are other moves here, but moving the knight loses instantly, e.g. 17...Ne8 18. Rf8#. Also if 17...Bf8 18. Rxg7+ Kh8 19. Rg8#, or 17...Bf6 18. Rxf6+ Kh8 19. Rf7! and the knight will fall next. 18. Kh1 b5
Or 18...Kh8 19. Bxg7+ Kg8 20. Rxe7+ and Black must trade his queen for the Bc4. 19. Bb3 Bf6 20. Rxf6+ Kh8 21. Rf7 and the knight will fall next, giving White a winning material advantage (rook, two minors and a pawn for the queen). |
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