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Ruslan Ponomariov vs Magnus Carlsen
King's Tournament (2010), Medias ROU, rd 6, Jun-20
King's Indian Defense: Saemisch. Bobotsov-Korchnoi-Petrosian Variation (E81)  ·  0-1



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Jun-20-10  hand banana: <darogeta: Play 24.Qf3 white has chance to win : 24...Ng3+ 25. hxg3, hxg3 26. Be1! , Kg7 27. Bg3 ,Rh8+ 28 Bh2 , Ne4> how about Rh6 instead there instead of Ne4? we'll get to the bottom of this mess.. ;)
Jun-20-10  patcheck: If 23 Rh1, then:

23 ... Cf6 and if 24 Df3 the best is : 24 ... Cxe4 and 25 Dxe4 is imposible because of 25 ... Cg3 26hxg3 hx g3 with checkmate soon (Dh4)

Jun-20-10  patcheck: I made a mistake, black can play f5 to escape
Jun-20-10  laskersteinitz: <HolyKnight: This just shows alot of the FIDE World Champions was a big joke.> I wouldn't say the players who won the FIDE world championships between 1993 and 2005 are big jokes. You still have to be really, really, really good to win those. Ponomariov is still a great player, just not on the level of Carlsen or Kramnik.
Jun-20-10  sh8911: 23Rf2??...why£¿
Jun-20-10  Chess Network: Rf2?
Someone saw a ghost! :)
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  wordfunph: <sultanmir: Carlsen had a worse position from the opening, he gambled with 21) .. Rxd2, fortunately for him, Pono got scared and played 23) Rf2 and got into a worse position himself.>

you got it right <sultanmir>..

Jun-20-10  cjgone: Rybka analysis says that Kh1 is superior to Rf2 by a margin.
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  tamar: Rybka gives a big plus for White, but take a look at the end position of this deep analysis.

23 Kh1 Ndf6 24 Qh3 Nxe4 25 Be1 Qa8 26 Bd3
Qxd5 27 f5 Nf2+ 28 Bxf2 Nf4 1.89/22

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So do you see the easy win here for White?

Not real clear is it? If 29 Qf3 Qxf3 30 gf3 Bxf2 31 Rxf2 Nxd3 32 Rd2 c4 and it's nervous time for White. Black has two connected center pawns which seems to be the hidden objective in many variations.

Rybka gives this line because it sees 29 Bc4! Nxh3 30 Bxd5 Nxf2 31 Rxf2 Bxf2 32 fxg6! and although it is opposite color bishops White has much the better of it.

Jun-21-10  xanadu: Why Ponomariov allowed to exchange his white Bishop, loosing the pair, in move 26?
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  perfidious: The line <tamar> gives with 29.Bc4! is the one which is easy, even for a strong GM, to miss in their analysis.
Jun-21-10 i don´t know, is this a kind of carlsen effect? ponomariovs play got completely confused the longer the game lasts. and in the end, out of nothing carlsens advantage is back-breaking
Jun-21-10  newzild: This win pushes Carlsen up to 2821 on the live rating list, which makes him the second-highest rated player in history, behind Kasparov, at the age of 19.

I think this is a superb game, replete with all its imprecisions and "human" moves. Carlsen plays like Tal in the tactical slugfest, which is scary when you consider he is primarily a positional player.

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  HeMateMe: Brutally sharp game by black. We certainly didin't see anything like this in the Anand-Topalov match. Maybe Pono could have held the draw, if hadnt tried the risky attack at the end, that ruined his pawn structure?
Jun-21-10  Brandon plays: This game made no sense at all. How can 19... a6 be played. It seems like that is dropping off the knight by black? Why did he not take. I don't even see any strong continuation from black after Bxd7.

Anybody have any thoughts?

Jun-21-10  ughaibu: How about Nf6?
Jun-21-10  Brandon plays: Oh duh...
Jun-26-10  znsprdx: Aw come on - I've lost lots of attacks to simple defense moves like Be1> Surely Carlsen had something in mind for the obvious Kh1 line
Jun-26-10  znsprdx: <patcheck> is using French R(oi) = K(ing) C(avalier)= (k)N(ight) and D(ame)= Q(ueen)
Regardless which knight goes to f6?
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  MarkThornton: The benefits of employing Kasparov as coach are clear in this game. Garry used to play the KID like this - with irresistible energy!
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  Eyal: Ponomariov said after the game that it's a sort of trademark of the KID that many games are won by Black from objectively lost positions by tactical tricks.
Dec-27-10  Pygeum Lycopene: Magnus proves true the old proverb, Tricks are for kids!
Nov-01-11  t.oliphant: who s better after 20.Bxd7 Nf6 21.Qxh4 Qxd7 22. b3 Re8 23. e5 Nd5 24.Bf2 ? that's the question
Mar-08-12  screwdriver: I'm pretty sure white didn't resign early here.
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  harrylime: after 22.. Bd4+

Why 23.Bf2?!

Carlsen looks bust to me

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