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Paul Morphy vs Charles Maurian
Knight Odds (1866) (unorthodox), New Orleans USA
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Jul-16-13  Sebastian88: No chance with the Paul.
Jul-16-13  Poulsen: LOL - this is just another stupid game with Morphy vs Silly Opposition. Indeed such chess noobs would have no chance against any decent player of time.
Jul-16-13  Poulsen: Its games like this, that makes Morphy the most overrated player of all time.
Jul-16-13  DoctorD: A strong statement that in my opinion shows a gross lack of understanding of odds games in particular, and chess history in general.
Jul-19-13  Poulsen: How strange - everytime Morphys "God-like" status is questioned - the questioner is subject to personal attacks.

I would advice you not to underestimate me - but please do tell me: do you know something about this matter, that I don't?

And I stand by my opinion: Morphy is very overrated.

Jul-19-13  DoctorD: There is nothing wrong with thinking Morphy was "very overrated." Even though you would be incorrect in that statement, it is not unusual for those performing a superficial analysis of chess history to come to that assessment. You may as well assert that Spyridon Louis was very overrated as a marathoner. Or knock Jesse Owens because today high schoolers can run as fast.

The fact that you deal in dichotomies ("God-like status"; "Silly Opposition") indicates to me a further lack of understanding of Morphy's actual place in chess history (perhaps you are simply given to hyperbole). As I noted originally, your statement of "most overrated player of all time" is simply too strong to be justifiable without a good amount of proof.

I certainly do not underestimate you in the same way you underestimate Morphy and Maurian.

Maurian was not "silly opposition" and I suspect you also do not understand odds games very well, in which case I would recommend that you read Larry Kaufman's writings on the subject. A player of Morphy's caliber would easily defeat an "ordinary master" at the odds of a knight.

And if you take the time to assess Maurian properly, you would find he was of about what we would consider master strength today. So calling him a "chess noob" is a rather silly statement. That he lacked a modern understanding of chess is rather apparent; just because he did not know "what every schoolboy knows" today does not diminish his relative strength.

In the end, I think that's the problem - you are evaluating these two by modern standards, instead of their relative places in chess history. It certainly is possible that I have underestimated you (I am not the type who feels he always must be correct), but I don't think so.

Jul-19-13  DoctorD: I'll make the further and final note that I took the time to look at your kibitzes. Your analyses of modern players appears to be quite spot-on. Good work there.
Jul-25-13  Sebastian88: Maurian was not "silly opposition". He won a game with Steinitz. Steinitz vs Maurian, 1883

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