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Mar-10-11
 | | FSR: What kind of move is 43...Rd1?? Surely 43...Rd3+ 44.K moves Rh3 was a better try. |
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| Mar-11-11 | | Helios727: Reshevsky claims that 43.. Rd1 was a mistake made in time trouble. Hard to figure why black would have time trouble right after the first time control had expired. Is it possible he took forever on moves 41 and 42 ? Reshevsky gives extensive analysis of FSR's suggestion (black's best move) in which he contends that white would still win. I am too lazy to reproduce it all here, maybe later. |
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Mar-12-11
| | FSR: Drapes might have been blitzing for a number of moves and not been sure he'd made the time control. |
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Mar-12-11
 | | Phony Benoni: I'm not certain what the practice was in 1971, but when I began going to U.S. Opens in 1975 the first time control came at move 50. That was the standard for at least a couple of decades afterward. |
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| Mar-12-11 | | Shams: <Phony Benoni><I'm not certain what the practice was in 1971, but when I began going to U.S. Opens in 1975 the first time control came at move 50.> Was it an uphill walk both ways from the skittles room to the playing hall? |
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Mar-13-11
| | Phony Benoni: <Shams> Depends on if you won or lost. By the way, I checked the touranment book compiled by Jack Spence. He doesn't mention the time control specifically, but indicates a number of games lost on time between moves 40 and 50. Coupled with Reshevsky's comment, I think it's pretty sure the time control was at move 50. Somebody with the Chess Review/Chess Life DVD might be able to find an advertisement for the tournament, which would mention the time control. |
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Mar-15-11
 | | perfidious: Not to spoil the pun, but I remember seeing Reshevsky annotate this game in CL&R with his opponent's name as 'Draper'. |
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Mar-15-11
| | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> That's confirmed by Spence's tournament book. It reprints the crosstable published in Chess Life, and the opponent's name was given as <Donald Draper>. Also, this was played in round 1, meaning it was a complete rating mismatch; Draper was likely rated around 1800 USCF. Given that, it's remarkable he held out as long as he did. |
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Mar-15-11
 | | HeMateMe: I'd say Drapes was given "The Bums Resh". |
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| Mar-15-11 | | picard: how about 38...Ra6 followed by b5? |
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| Mar-15-11 | | joupajou: <picard> 38. ..Ra6 39. h4. <FSR> Agree with you that 43. ..Rd1? was a big mistake. Another possibility was 43. ..Rh2 44. Rh8 Kxe6. |
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| Mar-15-11 | | ossipossi: It is a strange game, strategically won by white, that gets only a small edge, vanified by the not played 41. ..Rd3. In pre computer era we had said <what strong a defense, east-indian>! Maybe Reshevsky is too polite, a bit tactics-lacking in this game?! |
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| Mar-15-11 | | dark.horse: I bet this game made Donald Draper a Mad Man. |
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Mar-15-11
 | | Penguincw: I thought of another pun, "Drapes and Grapes". |
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Mar-15-11
 | | kevin86: Good pun-though the term was used long ago in the Edward G Robinson era gangster movies. The rook advantage is sure to win. |
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| Mar-15-11 | | KingV93: Here we see how making a mistake in the move order in the opening can ruin the whole game. Black should play e5 before Nc6 for precisely the reason White demonstrates here; the Nc6 has nowhere to go after Whites d5. In this game Black plays Ne5 and the pawn structure resulting from the exchange and 13.f4 e4 haunts Black for almost 40 moves; he generates no counter play and his strategic objectives are lost playing catch up and reactionary moves in what must have been an agonizing game of chess for Mr. D. Drapes. As a Black player in the Kings Indian you must not be afraid of the Queen exchange that can result from playing 6...e5 though this is easier said than done. White steers the game away from Blacks' strategic intention but the resulting position favors the Black side and as a Kings Indian player you must find a way to grind White to dust in these instances. I would love to hear some additional insight and commentary from some of the stronger players here who play this opening. I am addicted to it as Black and figuring out a way to stay comfortable and win after the Queen exchange has been a difficult task though I have gotten much better with it recently. If I can get to the point where Black plays Nce7, Nfd7, f5 and f4 I feel that I can dictate to a certain extent the course of the game and have a good chance of winning...it's in getting White to play the traditional Kings Indian that hang ups occur. |
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| Mar-15-11 | | drnooo: few people know that Due D Drapes was married for quite a few years to Ceda Curtains. and their son later was instrumental in working with Microsoft developing Windows. |
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| Mar-15-11 | | Oceanlake: I believe Fine's Ideas behind the Openings pointed out that the e4, f5 blocked pawn formation favors White. Add to that the e7 pawn.... Were I Black, I'd try to move e6 with as little danger as possible, but White would still be for choice. |
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Mar-15-11
 | | fm avari viraf: I think, Reshevsky enjoys Drapes' grapes! |
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| Mar-15-11 | | drnooo: Fischer said that in the fifties (or perhaps forties was it??) that Reshevsky was the strongest player on the planet |
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| Mar-22-11 | | Helios727: drnooo, Fischer probably meant that Reshevsky was the best match player during one of those decades. Even in 1961 he managed to hold even with Fischer at 5.5 each before the match was ended prematurely. In tournament play he was always hampered by his low amount of opening theory knowledge. This caused him to get into time trouble a lot. This was not so much a problem for him in match play because he could study the games of his specific opponent to prepare for the openings. |
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| Mar-22-11 | | Helios727: <Phony Benoni>, I wish Sammy had the guts to mention that this was a low rated opponent when he annotated this game in his book "The Art of Positional Play." |
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| Mar-23-11 | | Helios727: Okay, I will give Reshevsky's analysis starting with black's 43rd move. Reshevsky claims that white had a win even if black gave best play instead of blundering with 43... Rd1. His analysis is as follows: 43... R-Q6+ 44. K-K2 R-KR6 45. R-KR8 KxP 46. P-R7 K-B3 (the only move, for if 46... K-B2 47. R-QB8 KxP 48. RxP+) 47. R-B8+ K-N2 48. R-B8 KxP 49. RxP+ K-N3 50. R-B8; (1) 50... R-R2 51. P-B7 R-N2 52. P-R3 P-N4 53. K-K3 with black in zugzwang; (2) 50... R-R7+ 51. K-Q1 R-R8+ 52. K-B2 R-R7+ 53. K-B3 R-R6+ 54. K-N4 P-K6 55. P-B7 and wins; (3) 50... R-R2 51. P-B7 K-R4 (the best try) 52. K-K3 K-R5 53. K-Q4 K-R6 (if 53... R-Q2+ 54. K-K5 R-R2 55. KxP P-K6 56. K-N6 P-K7 57. KxR P-K8=Q 58. R-KR8! and wins) 54. K-Q5 R-R5 (54... R-Q2+ 55. K-K6 etc.) 55. K-Q6 RxP 56. RxR K-N6 57. K-K5 etc. |
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| Oct-24-11 | | Helios727: There must be an error in line (3) of the notes I gave above since "56. RxR" would not be a possible move. In addition, 55. R-K8 would make much more sense than 55. K-Q6 [in line (3)]. I don't have the book any more (Reshevsky's "Art of Positional Play"), so I don't know who made the mistake. |
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| Oct-24-11 | | AnalyzeThis: Reshevsky won the game. That's all we need to know. Next. |
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