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Alexey Shirov vs Levon Aronian
Tal Memorial (2010), Moscow RUS, rd 7, Nov-11
Spanish Game: Marshall Attack. Modern Main Line (C89)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Nov-11-10  malthrope: <moronovich: <mal> Hi`- with marshall these days I am afraid it gonna be more board than fire ):>

Yep, a big grin appeared immediately on my face when I saw the opening position with 16 very fast moves already played and a Marshall on board. It wasn't the sheriff either! ~lol~

<moronovich: But in Karjakin-Grischu we have the first sicilian in Moscow !>

Saw that one too... Perhaps that one will be a real dog fight! :P

Nov-11-10
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  Eyal: No, it looks like Shirov declined Aronian's draw offer by repetition with 26.Qd1.
Nov-11-10  capatal: <If you would like to check all games in progress>: http://reports.chessdom.com/news-20...
Nov-11-10  Marmot PFL: The players continue their marshall discussion. In their game in Spain, which Aronian won, white played 23 Bf3, here he plays 23 Bc2.
Nov-11-10
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  whiteshark: <1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Qh5 18. a4 Re6 19. axb5 axb5 20. Nf1 Bf5 21. Qd2 Bh3 22. Bd1 Qg6 23. Bc2 Qh5 24. Bd1 Qg6 25. Bc2 Qh5 26. Qd1 Bg4 27. Qd3 f5 28. Bd2 f4 29. Rxe6 Bxe6 30. Bd1> with both having 1h:42m on the clock
Nov-11-10
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  whiteshark: To much for the OE which has 10 games left after
<1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Qh5 18. a4 Re6 19. axb5 axb5 20. Nf1>


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Nov-11-10
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  Eyal: Yeah, when top GMs play The Marshall nowadays they rarely start actually thinking before move 20 or even 25. The novelty has already been mentioned twice - on move 23 by White, deviating from their 2009 Bilbao game (which Shirov lost in 29 games)
Nov-11-10
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  Eyal: Another chance for repetition.
Nov-11-10
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  whiteshark: And with fresh OE memories, "repeaters" : Shirov vs Aronian, 2009
Nov-11-10  Marmot PFL: <Eyal> Right I get here 10 mins late and they are on move 20 something. Anway while white can meet all threats, black has so much freedom that's it hard to see what white can achieve.
Nov-11-10
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  Eyal: <which Shirov lost in 29 games> should be in 29 moves, of course:-)
Nov-11-10
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  moronovich: draw officially ½-½,
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Nov-11-10  Ulhumbrus: The sequence 27...f5 28 Bd2 f4 brings to mind the famous game La Bourdonnais vs McDonnell, 1834 Is Shirov going to win after occupying the central square e4 with his Queen?
Nov-11-10  Marmot PFL: Draw agreed. Fortunately there are several other games of interest, like Karjakin-Grischuk and Nakamura-Hao. Both sharp positions.
Nov-11-10  Ulhumbrus: No, it seems that they have agreed a draw.
Nov-11-10  Strongest Force: At first glance it looks like Aronian is trying to bum rush Shirov
Nov-11-10  Ulhumbrus: <chessgames.com> Are you going to switch to another game?
Nov-11-10
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  Eyal: ...And that's The Marshall. A good example of why top players with any ambitions to win mostly avoid it nowadays with one of the various "anti-Marshalls" - 8.h3, 8.a4, 8.d3, 8.d4, or even 8.a3.
Nov-11-10
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  whiteshark: chessgamez, can we has anothr game, plz? Karjakin vs Grischuk lookz interestin...
Nov-11-10  Ulhumbrus: On the matter of the draw, Ivkov said that Bobby Fischer had said that if the Marshall counter-gambit was sound, the Ruy Lopez had seen its days.

It seems not easy for White to make his extra pawn count, and as many an attempt to do so by the world's strongest players has failed, this suggests thus far that White in fact lacks any way to do so.

However a conclusion has yet to be reached, otherwise White would not still be accepting the gambit.

One way to avoid the counter-gambit is for White to offer a gambit himself by d4 followed by e5 and c3, either by 8 d4 ed 9 e5 Ne8 10 c3 dc 11 Nxc3, or perhaps better following 6 Qe2 instead of 6 Re1 : 6 Qe2 b5 7 Bb3 0-0 8 d4 ed 9 e5 Ne8 10 c3 dc 11 Nxc3.

Nov-11-10  Ulhumbrus: After the move 28...f4 White might like to make his Queen side pawn majority count by preparing to begin to advance it by 29 b3, but in that event the move 28...f4 has created a nasty threat: 29..Bf5! trapping White's Queen. All the same, 30 Rxe6 Bxd3 31 Bxd3 fxg3 32 hxg3 may be worth a look at.
Nov-11-10
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  Eyal: <After the move 28...f4 White might like to make his Queen side pawn majority count by preparing to begin to advance it by 29 b3, but in that event the move 28...f4 has created a nasty threat: 29..Bf5! trapping White's Queen>

That's not THAT bad for White, actually, after 30.Qxf5 Rxf5 31.Rxe6. The real killer after 29.b3?? is 29...Rg6! with the threat of Qh3 & f3 (placing the rook on the g-file prevents White from taking on f4).

Nov-11-10
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  chessgames.com: Hang on and we'll switch to another game in just a minute.
Nov-11-10  Ulhumbrus: <That's not THAT bad for White, actually, after 30.Qxf5 Rxf5 31.Rxe6. The real killer after 29.b3?? is 29...Rg6! with the threat of Qh3 & f3 (placing the rook on the g-file prevents White from taking on f4).> And if White tries 29 Rxe6 Bxe6 30 b3, on 30...Bf5 White has no Black Rook on e6 as a target.
Nov-11-10
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  HeMateMe: Shirov has played this opening before. I wonder why he plays it, if it often leads to a draw?
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