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Luke McShane vs Vladimir Kramnik
London Chess Classic (2010), London ENG, rd 3, Dec-10
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Dec-10-10  theodor: <<scormus>: I was just thinking, if CG ever wanted to be cruel they could give us 95. White to play on Christmas Day> yet another sado-maso!
Dec-10-10
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  Eyal: It's a theoretical draw, but it's <not trivial> to hold in practice. As was already pointed out, statistics shows that about 40% of the games in this endgame are decisive, and that players like Judit Polgar, Short, Grischuk, and Leko lost it as the defending side.
Dec-10-10  Harvestman: Respect to these players for their concentration and stamina. I know chess is their chosen profession, but I recall playing a 4 hour game in which I defended grimly for a draw against a stronger player. After a half hour rest I sat down to play a second game (it was a two round team competition in a single day) and realised that I was absolutely exhausted. I dropped my queen on move 6.

I cannot imagine the stamina and mental focus required to play at this standard for so long without a break.

Dec-10-10  queenfortwopawns: <Ulhumbrus> Fair enough!
Dec-10-10  David2009: 126 Rc2+! 132 Ra8! Respect! It will be interesting to go over this with Nalimov to see the pitfalls McShane has avoided.
Dec-10-10  rapidcitychess: Remarkable game! I am going insane trying to find a win!
Dec-10-10  scormus: <theodor:> as I always say, dont knock it unless youve tried it
Dec-10-10  Ulhumbrus: The Brazilian grandmaster Henrique Mecking did pass this examination against one of the stiffest examiners in the world, Viktor Korchnoi, in the game Korchnoi vs Mecking, 1974
Dec-10-10  BobCrisp: The tournament leader is holding this with ease. Kramnik is contemptible for playing on.
Dec-10-10  rapidcitychess: <BobCrisp> Ease?? Really?
Dec-10-10  acirce: <rapidcitychess> Well, yeah. But obviously Kramnik has the right to test him, and very few players wouldn't.
Dec-10-10  rapidcitychess: Draw... :(
Dec-10-10  lost in space: Nice way to teh draw
Dec-10-10
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  WinKing: Textbook defense. Kudo's to McShane!
Dec-10-10
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Dec-10-10  BobCrisp: That guy in the auditorium with the plastic bag can go home now.
Dec-10-10  scormus: Salutations to both players, tremendous sustained concentration and determination. If ever a draw was well deserved it was this. And to all the CG anoraks who stuck it out as well.
Dec-10-10  David2009: 134 Rb7! (Ra8? -M19) Both sides are playing this difficult theoretical draw excellently: Kramnik's traps are worth careful study. 136 Ra6 is forced: what has Kramnik in mind? 137..what - we have seen this before more or less. Final position: DRAW - well played both sides! Did both sides miss wins? McShane earlier before 58 Bb8? and Kramnik at move 61 - see McShane vs Kramnik, 2010
Dec-10-10  Ulhumbrus: Be it noted that having passed the test against one of the stiffest examiners in the world, Vladimir Kramnik, Luke McShane hath gained the distinction of being admitted into the guild and worshipful company of successful defenders of a Rook versus a Rook and Bishop ending.
Dec-10-10  AgentRgent: I wonder how my idea of 66...Rf8 works. Anyone want to see what their engine has to say? (I know engines aren't exactly the best endgame judges, but better than nothing I guess)
Dec-10-10
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  OhioChessFan: Fritz10 goes for 66...Rf8 immediately. Evals out at -1.30 or so.
Dec-10-10
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  OhioChessFan: Fritz10 goes for 66...Rf8 immediately. Evals out at -1.30 or so. 66...Kxf7 gets a yellow light immediately, with evals starting out about -.70.
Dec-11-10  AgentRgent: <OhioChessFan: Fritz10 goes for 66...Rf8 immediately. Evals out at -1.30 or so.> Thanks for checking it. At the time I was thinking that black HAD to maintain a pawn in order to win, and so Rf8 served a dual purpose role of capturing the White pawn on f7 and in so doing protecting Black's f pawn. Scary that I saw something in an endgame that Kramnik did not... (admittedly I hadn't been playing for 66 moves already!)
Dec-11-10
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  HeMateMe: Is this a table base win, R + B v. R? Or, does the defender have a draw, with best play? I always thought its a forced win, but not one error can be made, in setting up the mate.
Dec-11-10
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  whiteshark: Just the right amount of wrong.
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