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Johannes Zukertort vs Frank P Carr
"CarrMax" (game of the day Feb-22-2013)
Simultaneous exhibition (1885) (exhibition), London, Mar-21
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit. Hamppe-Allgaier-Thorold Gambit (C25)  ·  0-1

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Feb-22-13  RookFile: I guess a draw by repetition on move 16 would have been a better choice. The rules regarding this may have been different in those days.
Feb-22-13  Abdel Irada: If Zukertort had any chances, they depended on getting his king off the fatal b3 square before the pins were inserted.
Feb-22-13
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  AylerKupp: I guess that's what happens when you get run over by a Carr.
Feb-22-13  sofouuk: nothing wrong with 16.Kd3. 20.Bxb5, on the other hand ...
Feb-22-13
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  morfishine: Frank P Carr actually has 2-games in the database, both wins; so that raises him above the "1-hit wonder" level:

F P Carr vs W C Palmer, 1903

<sofouuk> Yes, it was silly for Zukertort to walk into all those pins; Very pleasing the way 27...c6 takes advantage of both pins

Feb-22-13  Arcturus: Yes they are both wins, Carr probably entered those into the database himself.
Feb-22-13  pedro123: it was only a simul
Feb-22-13
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  Garech: I used to play this gambit a lot - 8.Qxg4 is pretty good for white.

-Garech

Feb-22-13
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  sfm: <morfishine: Yes, it was silly for Zukertort to walk into all those pins >

Zukertort plays 16.Kd3 to try to win the game, and this means taking a trip to the Q-side.

I think 20.BxP may be a mistake. Instead 20.Bd3, with the idea. 20.-,BxB 31.QxB,Nxd5?! 32.Qh7+

If Black does not play 21.-,NxP, well, there may just be enough time to get the king to a2 and/or move the Ra1 into action. Blacks open king, the white squares around him, and the open f-file could be problematic.

And there may _not_ be enough time.

But let's not call it "silly"!

Feb-22-13
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  paavoh: @sfm <I think 20.BxP may be a mistake>. Quite so, opening a line for his opponent.
Feb-22-13
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  morfishine: <sfm> I see your point; however, for a player of his stature, I have to stick with it being 'silly'; If it was a lesser opponent, I wouldn't say that

Surely, trying to 'hunker down' and try to keep the position closed around his King with 20.Ka2 has to be better than 20.Bxb5? Opening lines like that, well it doesn't makes sense. We have to accept that he couldn't see thru move 27? This, from the Author of 'Zukertort's Immortal"? Zukertort vs Blackburne, 1883

Sorry, I'm sticking with silly

Feb-22-13  The HeavenSmile: <Garech> Good for black I think you mean, 8.Qxg4 Bxg4!
Feb-22-13
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  Garech: <TheHeavenSmile> black has not moved his d pawn!

-Garech

Feb-22-13
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  playground player: Somehow this kind of King stroll seemed to work out better for Steinitz than for anybody else.
Feb-22-13  waustad: 2 pins and a fork in one play!
Feb-22-13  The HeavenSmile: <garech> right you are! I was looking at move 9 ;)
Feb-23-13
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  kevin86: First white's king gets chased and black's gets chased,and the white's pieces get forked and pinned!
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