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Mikhail M Yudovich Sr. vs Viacheslav Ragozin
URS-ch10 (1937), Tbilisi, rd 6, Apr-20
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Normal. Ragozin Variation (E51)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Sep-23-11  SimonWebbsTiger: apropos codpieces:

"the Black Russian" from Blackadder....

Sep-23-11  sevenseaman: <SimonWebbsTiger> If you are referring to my puzzle, <it is White to mate in 3>. Post your mate in 4, we shall see.
Sep-23-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @<sevenseaman>

aha!!! I just spotted the sneaky Rg2. I was looking for a bishop move, to avoid stalemate and give black the move. Didn't spot that deliberate interference at all. I started with 1. Bb5, a mate in 4. 1. Bh1 is mate in three.

Sep-23-11  sevenseaman: <SWT> I think you have cause to be very happy.
Sep-23-11  LIFE Master AJ: I am in a hurry this morning, not a lot of time. (Plan on going somewhere.)

After less than 2 minutes, I pick 32.Nf5, (MAYBE ... an exclam?); looks like White's best chance. There sre some back-rank mate threats because the Knight blocks the Black LSB on h3. And if 32...Nxd2; 33.NxQ/g3, looks like White is a piece up.

Will check later ... hope that I did not mess it up and spoil my week ... Rats! (Not even time to play through the game.)

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  kevin86: I was looking at Nf5 and Ne6-clearly something drastic was called for.
Sep-23-11  gofer: <sevenseaman>: <Its a creation by someone who calls himself 'madthinker'. Here he nearly justifies his handle. There is a very good chess theme in it.>

When was the last time (OTB) that you moved your bishop into the corner of the board and then covered its escape out of that corner by putting your rook on the next diagonal square?

I am not sure what "theme" you are referring to, but I would call it a "chess puzzle" theme, but its not likely to ever come up in a real game...

Anyone know of a game in this database where this sort of "two move" creation of a discovered check has actually been played!?

Sep-23-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @<sevenseaman>

I think Rg2 pops it in a category of problem described by Steve Giddins

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  doubledrooks: The resource 32. Nf5 wins for White. For example:

a. 32...Qg5 33. Qxd8+ Qxd8 34. Rc8 Qxc8 35. Bxg7+ Kg8 36. Bd5+ Qe6 37. Bxe6#

b. 32...Qxg2+ 33. Qxg2 Bxg2 34. Bxg7+ Kg8 35. Rc7 (threatening Nh6#) h6 36. Kxg2

Sep-23-11  scholes: I found all the important lines except the hardest one

the winning continuation after 32 Nf5 Qg5

How do you improve visualization in chess. I think chess is about calculation and visualization with the aid of pattern recognition. These puzzles are good only for pattern recognition and calculation. Visualization is something more basic which is necessary for other two to work.

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  chrisowen: This should and would have got beef. Yummy lovely it is

interfernce again shame it wasnt played Fedyoy Stroponeoff head

delegate for Corresp. mete granite in conclusion 32.nf5 cap off

white camp belt up black seat rankling instruct Mr Occife real

draw keep fighting the good fight sir!

Sep-23-11  sevenseaman: <gofer> I am not very knowledgeable on chess theory. Perhaps a bit naively, I was referring to interference or what we commonly call screening in order to avoid a stalemate.

The B has to go to the corner because the White R is on the second rank.

Sep-23-11  Memethecat: <sevenseaman> my apologies, i dont really need any consolation, t'was a bit tongue in cheek. I've had a good week & it was bound to stop now the weekend is here.
Sep-23-11  KingV93: Having been absent for a couple of days it's nice to get one, especially one rated 'difficult'. Can't say that I saw all the continuations and variations, just that I'd have played ♘f5 trying to blunt Blacks attack while making a threat of my own.
Sep-23-11  sevenseaman: <Memethecat> POTD-wise tough two days ahead. You are new, no apologies are called for as I miss them without any inspiration as well. At times even a Monday or Tuesday slip through.

I do not run a performance meter and rather enjoy them on their individual merit. This week, today's and the Mikenas-Bronstein are outstanding.

Sep-23-11  morfishine: <jimfromprovidence> Very good on <Qxd8> followed up by <Rc8>. I was only able to spend a few minutes on the <32...Qg5> "defense". Good to see you finish it off. :)

<Scormus> Good going!

<sevenseaman> Yes, as wondrous as knights are, even they can't be in two places at the same time. Good work and its on to Saturday!

<Once> On <...The Mona Lisa in a miniskirt> Now that explains the smirk...And Oh yeah, I love "Madame Bucket"..."Its Boo-kay!"

Sep-23-11  TMNMINH: 32)Nf5... would have been my response
[32)...Nxd2 33)Nxg3 1-0]

32)...Qxg2+ 33)Qxg2 Bxg2 34)Bxg7+ Kg8 35)Rc3...

[35)...Bd5 36)Bf6 1-0 Black loses with Rd7 or Rd6; otherwise Black loses its rook or bishop]

35)...Be4 1/2-1/2

Sep-23-11  tacticalmonster: candidate: 32 Nf5

a) 32 Qxg2+ 33 Qxg2 Bxg2

a1) 34 Rc3? Bh3 35 Rxb3 Bxf5 36 Bd4

a2) 34 Rc7! h5 35 Bxg7+ Kh7 36 Kxg2

b) 32 Nxd2 33 Nxg3 Nb3 34 Rc2

Time spent: 15 min

Sep-23-11  M.Hassan: "Difficult" White to play 32.?
White is ahead by a Bishop for a pawn

A spectacular move is made by White:

<if 32...Rxd2 33.Rc8+ Rd8 34.Rxd8#>

But likely Black responds as below:

33.Qxg2 Bxg2
34.Bxg7+ Kg8
35.Rc7 Rd1+
36.Kxg2 Rd2+
37.Kh3 h6

Now White is ahead by a Bishop+pawn and should win.
Time to check
Strange!! White missed the crucial move

Sep-23-11  Hovik2009: Man!, I found 32.Nf5 in half a minute and I chose it as the best move, ofcourse I didn't calculate everything down to the ending, but that weak backrank gave me all the hope and lightening that I am in right path!
Sep-23-11  howlwolf: I got this one fast over beers rather than looking at the puzzle between patients in my office where I missed the Bronstein game early in the week. Is the moral it is better to be buzzed thsn stressed? Works for me.
Sep-23-11  Creg: The first thing that I looked at was 32.Nf5.

32...Rxd2 33.Rc8+ with mate to follow
32...Bxf5 33.Qxd8 mate
32...Nxd2 33.Nxg3 and white is up a piece.

I don't see what else black can try considering white has the g7 square under attack as well.

Lets see how this went down.


I'm happy :)

Sep-23-11  stst: late & tired, see only Nf5 better than Ne6.
for Nf5, Bk can do QxB+ with exchange of Q (QxQ, BxQ, KxB and Bk loses the exchange.) If Bk goes NxQ, W also NxQ with better position (BxP+ is next)...

Bed time...

Sep-24-11  LIFE Master AJ: <<Sep-23-11 scholes: I found all the important lines except the hardest one the winning continuation after 32 Nf5 Qg5

How do you improve visualization in chess.>>

To improve this, you have to practice. Try doing 3-5 tough tactical quizzes EVERY DAY ... for say six months.

Please read training tip #1.

Another exercise I would do was to play through a game and write down what I saw (first!) ... WITHOUT MOVING THE PIECES. Then play through the lines, and compare what you thought you saw to what actually happened on the chess board. I did this a great deal when I was a teenager.

I found this exercise very useful for improving your "visualization" skills.

Sep-24-11  jacopovit: I would like to add the following
32.Nf5! Qg5
33.Qxd8!! Qxd8
Deflecting the Queen and allowing mate in 3, with
35.Bxf7 Kg8
and Bd5 at the next move.
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