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|Mar-29-17|| ||Modulo: Easy puzzle if you know the motive:
15. ... Qd1+!
16. Kxd1 Bg4++
17. Ke1 Rd1#
|Mar-29-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: Of course <Nightsurfer> is right about this being reminiscent of the classic Reti vs Tartakower, 1910, but I look at the final mating pattern and think of Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858|
|Mar-29-17|| ||morfishine: <15...Qd1+> sets up the double-check <16...Bg4++> followed by mate |
|Mar-29-17|| ||yadasampati: <Once> I fully agree with you. Everyone is free to comment whatever he likes. In that spirit, i reacted on a certain type of comments. Indeed, one can ignore them, but in my case i felt it useful to say something about them. Thanks for your point of view, anyhow :-)|
|Mar-29-17|| ||nalinw: I didn't see the solution at all ... but that is because I was distracted by |
15. ... Bc3+
which looks lovely until one realizes that the White Queen also covers e3 ....
|Mar-29-17|| ||Willber G: <FSR: Reminiscent of Dutch vs J N Sugden, 1964>|
It is, but 12.Kc2 Bd1# in that game is even more amusing!
|Mar-29-17|| ||Once: <yadasampati> I know what you mean. I used to rail against people saying "First!". Then I mellowed. Old age, I suppose, and the fact that the news headlines are bad enough without adding any more angst into the world.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||takchess: Deja VU.I once played a game with the first 6-8 moves of the Opera game before it veered off. Now that was fun. I hope one day i hope to play a double rook sacrifice [without losing 8)] like the young lion euwe vs reti game.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||takchess: Also nicely said Once.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||rodchuck: Yes, the text solution is very nice. I must confess the queen "sacrifice" never occurred to me (shows my level of chess, I'm afraid) - I would have played Bb8 with the threat of Re8. Not so pretty but still conclusive I think?|
|Mar-29-17|| ||PawnSac: < thegoodanarchist: Of course <Nightsurfer> is right about this being reminiscent of the classic Reti vs Tartakower, 1910, but I look at the final mating pattern and think of Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 >|
exactly what i was thinking. I've used that idea many times in games and have referred to it as the Morphy mate. Here's a game I played with a friend back in 1982
[REMOVE WHITE'S QUEEN] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 d5 4. exd5 Qxd5 5. Nc3 Qd7 6. dxe5 Bb4 7. Bd2 Nc6 8. O-O-O Qe7 9. Bb5 a6 10. Bg5 Qe6 11. Rd8#
click for larger view
of course he was a complete beginner. But i first learned the idea from that
Paul Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard
"A Night at the Opera" (game of the day Dec-02-07)
Paris (1858) · Philidor Defense: General (C41) · 1-0
Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858
|Mar-29-17|| ||Fusilli: <yadasampati: I do not understand why some commenters just repeat the solution from the game. It does not add anything.>|
Technically true, but it's their way of participating. Presumably, they are sharing they got it right. I believe some post first, then look at the solution.
<Once> summarized it perfectly:
<It's all okay. It's a free world.>
|Mar-29-17|| ||stst: d1 is the weakest spot for White.
Rather than waiting the B(d7) release, why not have a give first, take/mate later by the Q:
16.KxQ (forced) Bg4 dis&dbl+ (R&B, as planned)
17.Ke1 (restored, only escape sq.) but then Rd1# supported by B(g4)
|Mar-29-17|| ||BOSTER: < yadasampati: why some comments repeat the solution from the game>.
You need the talent like <chrisowen> to write unique solution.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||stst: <...Including this one.>|
Yeah, when we glaze here, already proved that we got some leisure time. Reading others, we communicate, and, as said, it's free world.... we choose to, not obliged to.
Have an open mind, and, Just enjoy kibitzing!!
|Mar-29-17|| ||OhioChessFan: Well........I am still always annoyed by the "First!" posts.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||chrisowen: <yadasampati> It's all greek to me;|
|Mar-29-17|| ||Macbeth: I went for 15....,Bb5 - double menace of Qd1 or Qe2 mate, forcing white to check in a8 and hand over the Queen. Of course this wins, but not so nicely as the game continuation|
|Mar-29-17|| ||erismi: I like these kind of games because it provides a lot of opportunity to figure out where things went wrong. |
IMHO 6. Qe2 was a poor choice. 6. d3 (defend c4, release bishop, defend knight, guard e4) would've been much better.
Things went sideways with 8. Qxc7. Much better to just trade off the queens. With no back-up and nothing else hanging the pawn grab doesn't make sense.
I suspect 9. Qxf7+ is a stronger reply to bishop d6. Two pawns for a knight is not great but it could be worse, white has the potential to build a strong pawn center. It also removes the Qxg2 threat. If one assumes no more blunders from either player the game is lost after Qxg2.
|Mar-29-17|| ||RandomVisitor: The moves 2 and 3 for this game seem to be reversed.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: 23. Qd1+ is a good illustration of the "choose the most forcing move principle" (Bc3+ is less forcing because there are two possible reactions: Bd2 or bxc3, not counting the third option of overturning the board and calling for mommy)|
|Mar-29-17|| ||morfishine: <PawnSac> Nice game PawnSac!|
|Mar-29-17|| ||Marmot PFL: The first guy is right. This game looks more like a 1910 game than one from 2010.|
|Mar-29-17|| ||peristilo: people get annoyed for innocent 'first' comment???|
|Mar-29-17|| ||PawnSac: < morfishine: Nice game PawnSac! >|
thanks morph... but like i said, he was a beginner.
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