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|Aug-12-11|| ||TheTamale: Yeah, castling was bad news. The mighty Bisguier clearly underestimated his young opponent... natural enough, I suppose.|
|Aug-12-11|| ||kevin86: Black attack resembled the Tasmanian Devil.|
|Aug-12-11|| ||dadoktor: Hikaru is monsta :D|
|Aug-12-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Poor Arthur. First he lost to Bobby ... now many years later, he meets H.N.|
|Aug-12-11|| ||haydn20: I don't like 6 f4 tho' I know it's common. It seems to give Black everything he wants--a juicy Pawn ctr to chew on, and after 12...c4, he has equalized. 13 Bxf6 looks necessary, and 13...Rfc8 is a bad error (...Nb4!)--if W just plays 14 Bxf6 bxf6; 15 e5 he might be ok. However, he plays 14 Qf2? and it's over. I tried 15 Qg1 instead of 0-0 but it didn't help.|
|Aug-12-11|| ||50movesaheadofyou: <11...♕b6> was a great move.|
I don't like <14.♕f2> at all. Maybe 14.♗xf6 ♗xf6 15.e5 dx 16.fx ♗g7 and 17.♖f1 and is white so bad with the ♔ in the center?
|Aug-12-11|| ||weary willy: Rhymes with "misfire"|
|Aug-12-11|| ||profK: 14. Bh4 and to f2...might have been a better try....|
|Aug-12-11|| ||WhiteRook48: Nakamura is a genius|
|Aug-17-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Arthur Bisguier - Hikaru Nakamura (2201) [E70]
Somerset ACN Action Swiss New Jersey USA, 1998
This was the game of the day, for August 12th, 2011.
(I finished up my notes that day ... I apologize, I never got around to posting my analysis.)
1.d4 Nf6; 2.c4 g6; 3.Nc3 Bg7; 4.e4 d6;
Thus far, its a King's Indian. [See MCO-15, page # 588.]
5.Bg5!? 0-0; 6.f4!?,
A little outside the norm ... (I don't trust this for White, it seems to loosen the first player's position a little too much. I would say that Bisguier was trying to exploit his opponent's inexperience.)
However, I must note that this line is part of Bisguier's main repertoire, he defeated J. Manion at the 1996 Bermuda Open with this same system.
[ Now 6.Be2 , transposes to the Averbakh System, please see: Opening Explorer. Also, the following page, has a fairly in-depth look at this opening system: http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-.... ]
6...c5!; 7.d5 b5!?;
Now Nakamura makes the game a type of Benko Gambit.
[ Now the "Power-Book" recommends the following line for Black: RR7...Qa5; 8.Qd2 e6; 9.dxe6 Bxe6; 10.Bd3 Re8; when 11.Nf3, seems to yield perhaps a small edge for White. ]
The next few moves look OK.
8.cxb5 a6; 9.bxa6 Bxa6; 10.Bxa6 Nxa6; 11.Nf3 Qb6;
An interesting position ...
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I would say that Black - here - has fair "comp" for the Pawn.
Now Fritz like Qd2 for White.
12.Rb1!? c4; 13.Qe2 Rfc8;
This is a solid move, the box prefers the more energetic play of 13...Nb4! here for Black.
14.Qf2?, (Maybe - '??')
This lands White in deep trouble. (Note that d3 is a forking square.)
[ White had to play: >/= 14.Bxf6 Bxf6; 15.e5, " ∞ " when its not clear that either side has an edge here. ]
Fritz is already showing that Black is winning here.
Now White had to play Qg1T (" ▢ ") here.
15.0-0?! Ng4; 16.Qe2?,
One final mistake by White.
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[ If White did not want to (yet) resign, then he had to play the following line:
>/= 16.Qc2 Nxe4+; 17.Kh1 Nef2+; 18.Rxf2 Nxf2+; 19.Kg1 Nd3+; 20.Kf1 Rab8, but Black is clearly winning. ]
The rest is murder to watch ... (If you wanted to, you could give all of Black's move an exclam.)
16...Nxe4+; 17.Kh1 Ngf2+; 18.Kg1 Nh3+; 19.Kh1 Nef2+; 20.Rxf2 Nxf2+; 21.Kg1 Ne4+;
(After White's King moves, 22...NxN/c3; and Bisguier will lose even more material.)
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|Oct-29-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Comments on my notes?|
|Nov-01-11|| ||bronkenstein: You guys really seem to enjoy picking on each other. <LIFE Master AJ> , your comments on Naka`s game are OK , I missed them @ first glance due to all the flaming later.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||Colonel Mortimer: I don't think the notes are good - mostly cut and paste from a 'rushed' Fritz analysis.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||FSR: It looks like CG.com cut out almost two and a half months' worth of comments.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||DrMAL: 6.f4?! (c5! 7.d5) line in KID/Averbakh was played by Stein and others before (E Zagorjansky vs Stein, 1956) with great success, particularly after 7...Qa5! it was and is well known to be poor and almost never played at high level. Here, Naka played 7...b5! also good, as shown before J Patty vs Dzindzichashvili, 1989. 8...a6 and 9...Qa5 can transpose with Dzindzi game but instead white chose 9.bxa6?! instead of 9.a4 giving black bigger edge similar to accepting Benko gambit, I discussed ways to decline in R Franzen vs R Bator, 2007. |
10.Bxa6?! instead of 10.Nf3 made matters worse, white needn't worry about 10...Bxf1 either way B is re-taken is OK (R takes is better). After 11...Qb6 best was either 12.Qd2 or 12.Bxf6 (they likely transpose), 12...Rb1?! was another inaccuracy. But 13.Qe2? (instead of 13.Bxf6) was big mistake where 13...Nh5! was decisive (e.g., 14.Nd2 f6! and 15.Nc4 Qc5! 16.g4 fxg5 17.gxh5 gxf4 ) but 10-year-old Naka played 13...Rfc8 for smaller edge. This was met by 14.Qf2? and Naka realized how to win with 14...Nc5! Bisguier played poorly but Naka showed his genius by finding quick ways to crush his GM opponent.
|Nov-01-11|| ||bronkenstein: <Colonel Mortimer:I don't think the notes are good - mostly cut and paste from a 'rushed' Fritz analysis.>|
It`s not that I`ve never ever seen a better insight , my point was that it wasn`t so bad to deserve all the flaming that followed.
And speaking of <two and a half months' worth of comments> , there was some really funny stuff there . I bet moderators loled while deleting it , but ... business before pleasure.
@ <DrMal> , TY for the overview , but even without that info <6.f4> is so rotten you can almost smell it =)
|Nov-01-11|| ||bronkenstein: <DrMAL> , I don`t want to take sides + Im pretty much clueless ( to the degree to which it is possible to be with all this flaming all around =)of who-said-what-to-whom earlier . |
Just brief reading of his comment on Naka`s game here , with diagrams and links + normal editing , are showing that he has put some effort in it , and deserves a bit of credit. I have this specific game and that very specific comment in mind , again, without trying to judge anything else or take sides (now , is that possible in politics someone might ask ?). Sorry if it sounded that way.
|Nov-01-11|| ||DrMAL: <AJ: 6.f4!?, A little outside the norm> First nontrivial info...treated incorrectly. Conclusion: player likely < ELO 1800.|
<AJ: Now 6.Be2 , transposes to the Averbakh System> He then gives webpage, big teacher on openings. 5.Bg5 defined Averbakh! Conclusion: player likely < ELO 1500...but assumes others are even lower eager to be taught by the great AJ.
<AJ: the box prefers the more energetic play of 13...Nb4! here for Black.> This is due to "box" being copied before it could sort as second best. Conclusion: player uses engine poorly.
<14.Qf2?, (Maybe - '??') This lands White in deep trouble.> Actually it loses as would move 13 have if he actually thought rather than copy engine. Rest of post is more pollution.
There are no "sides" to be taken, it is not about that, cheers.
|Nov-01-11|| ||DrMAL: <JoergWalter: be it chess or attitude> I think it is attitude. I feel bad cutting up someone's post, site has many people at many levels, <bronkenstein: he has put some effort in it , and deserves a bit of credit> is good point. I try to encourage and credit others, so do other people who were criticizing post before their comments were removed. We are just sick of his attitude, it is one thing to make low quality post and another to endlessly brag of it's unequaled great quality and try to browbeat anyone offering slightest correction. This delusion and behavior deserves the disrespect it receives.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||DrMAL: Regarding game, I was curious about young Naka's choice of 7...b5 over 7...Qa5 or other moves, so I put on computer overnight with option to show top eight moves. For brevity here are top two, notice way gambit is declined.|
Houdini_20_x64: 29/71 6:05:20 212,944,221,973
+0.18 7. ... b5 8.cxb5 Qa5 9.Qd2 a6 10.b6 Nbd7
+0.06 7. ... Qa5 8.Qd2 a6 9.Nf3 b5 10.Bd3 bxc4
|Nov-01-11|| ||haydn20: I'm sure I missed something, but--after 13...Rfc8 I have 14. Bxf6 Bxf6 15. e5 Bf2 and now either 16. a3 or even Qf2 gives Black maybe a small edge if that. I agree that this might not have been enough psychologically for AB under the circumstances.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: Well, AJ, you think Naka used software to produce this gem?|
|Nov-01-11|| ||DrMAL: <haydn20> You didn't miss anything I simply wrote <but 10-year-old Naka played 13...Rfc8 for smaller edge.> and you showed how small (except 15...Bg7 for small advantage I think you made typo). 13...Rfc8 was mistake but white's second blunder next move lost to the boy wonder, cheers.|
|Nov-01-11|| ||JoergWalter: <Wyatt Gwyon>
no computer required to play the ..it out of an oldtimer GM. When facing a real challenge like the <king of internet chess> a real LM then fire them up - the fritzes, rybkas and houdinis.
|Nov-01-11|| ||CWQ: "If yer gonna get gone, get a little goner,
If you gotta move along, move a little longer,
If you think I'm missin' you, you couldn't be wronger, ...
get a little goner."
somehow that song just came to mind.
Not sure why, not ever sure why - to be certain.
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