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Anish Giri vs Hikaru Nakamura
Reggio Emilia (2011), Reggio Emilia ITA, rd 4, Dec-30
King's Indian Defense: Orthodox Variation. Classical System Traditional Line (E99)  ·  0-1



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Dec-30-11  James Bowman: <I frequently hesitate to to give Naka credit because he pisses me off so much with his rampant, unfailing and seeming addiction to immaturity. He is a far better player than I give him credit for.> ...

<(Steinitzlives adjusts his false teeth, cane, and looks around for any bran that might be available).>

Lol seldom do you see such an honest let alone humorous self assesment by anyone here. ;0] Good luck with that bran.

<Giri can beat Carlsen> Doubt given a sufficient number of games that Giri would have much chance as it stands now.

Dec-30-11  galdur: These chess geniuses are far from mediocre in talent and character, yet mediocre people as most of us are seem to want to drag them down to our own level. Itīs the politically correct thing to do. But I say leave them alone, tolerate their eccentricity. Donīt attack their person but watch what they do so well.
Dec-30-11  King Death: <galdur: ...mediocre people as most of us are seem to want to drag them down to our own level...>

Speak for yourself.

<...Itīs the politically correct thing to do...>

It's the mark of insecurity regardless of somebody's political beliefs.

<...But I say leave them alone, tolerate their eccentricity. Donīt attack their person but watch what they do so well.>

Sure. Let somebody like Korchnoi be deliberately unkind all of the time as long we don't have to deal with him. I've met a bunch of them playing both chess and poker over quite a long time. And they most often weren't the greatest in either game. It was very often players who weren't bad, but not as good as they thought they were.

Dec-30-11  iking: <SuperPatzer77: <iking> <It did not work with <Nakamura> but it worked well with <wesley so> before .... Nakamura failed to blunder, ha ha> LOL LOL LOL.
<iking> I didn't know that it worked well with Wesley So. >

see this -

W So vs A Giri, 2010

Giri seems to play up to his last breath .... hoping that SOMEHOW his opponent may blunder ....

Nakamura did not ....


Dec-30-11  iking: <galdur: ...mediocre people as most of us are seem to want to drag them down to our own level...>

if you feel you are <mediocre> in so many ways, please don't include most of CG kibitzers .... you might be speaking the truth, and TRUTH hurts


Dec-30-11  galdur: The key here is -most-. That doesnīt necessarily include yours truly.
Dec-30-11  SuperPatzer77: <iking> Thanks for showing me this game - So vs Giri - 2010.

Gee, time flies so fast, right, <iking>?

Don't drink too much, OK, <iking>?

Say goodbye to 2011. Welcome 2012 here!!

Well, I wish you a Happy New Year!!


Dec-30-11  galdur: U.S. should be a superpower in chess like they are in about everything else, military prowess and incredibly advanced and liquid financial markets you name it.

I donīt know why it hasnīt been happening. Mr.Nakamra is up there with the elite even though heīll probably never qualify as Lady Gaga's boyfriend.

Dec-30-11  frogbert: < incredibly advanced and liquid financial markets >

i'm sure lots of us citizens are ready to praise the wall street superpowers as evidence of us supremacy in nearly every field ...

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  kamalakanta: I believe Nakamura has the strength to be WC. He has shown he belongs in the elite. His rise in the last year or two has been meteoric!
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  kamalakanta: One question: WHO WAS NOT IMMATURE AT THE AGE OF 24?

Why do we hold Nakamura to such a high standard?

Dec-30-11  master of defence: I donīt understand why white play 41. Rxc7+. 41. Rac2 looks very better for me, because wins a piece.
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  kamalakanta: Hi, master of defence...if 41.Rac2, Ne8 holds for Black.
Dec-30-11  iking: <SuperPatzer77: <iking> Thanks for showing me this game - So vs Giri - 2010. Gee, time flies so fast, right, <iking>?

Don't drink too much, OK, <iking>?

Say goodbye to 2011. Welcome 2012 here!!

Well, I wish you a Happy New Year!!

SuperPatzer77> >

Tanduay Rhum is enough for me ....

Dec-30-11  SuperPatzer77: <iking> <Tanduay Rhum is enough for me ....>

Irish cream or Dutch beer (Amstel Light) is enough for me as well.

The correct spelling word is rum - not rhum.


Dec-31-11  King Death: <kamalakanta: ...Why do we hold Nakamura to such a high standard?>

That's a very good question. Maybe it's those who don't come anywhere near that standard themselves but point the finger at somebody else to draw attention away from that. Then you have some Carlsen fanboys but that's something different.

Dec-31-11  Shams: To what "high standard" is Nakamura supposedly held? Certain behaviors are called out for what they are, sure. I don't think anyone is asking Nakamura to be Tim Tebow.
Dec-31-11  King Death: <Shams> I've seen some of what <kamalakanta> means with <frogbert> and his comments. At least I did before finding the ignore button. To him, Nakamura couldn't do anything right or at the very least it was often some back handed compliment. I agree that Nakamura isn't perfect. Damn, I remember when I was 24. Some of it anyway.
Dec-31-11  Everett: Well, yet more evidence that the KID lives.

Regarding personality in general and maturity in particular of any chessplayer, I feel there is nothing wrong with separating one's appreciation for chess from your opinion of them as a person. Should we completely ignore Fischer's games because of his personal troubles and offensive (to most) opinions? If you decide to do that, this is fine, but I don't think separating the two is wrong either.

And on maturity, the truth that hurts is that it may be adults are "playing" mature rather than being mature, and to the degree one is pretending to be grown up (and suffering inside because of it) those may be the ones who really get upset when someone behaves "immaturely."

Dec-31-11  Everett: BTW, I despise immature people ;-)
Dec-31-11  Clodhopper: <DeepFriedLiver: Man up, Giri. If you are going to have the audacity to play 59. h5+, you should also have the courtesy to play 60. h6.>

Was there a time control at move 60? Maybe Giri was trying to trap Naka under time pressure. After Naka's 60th, there is no stalemate and no time pressure: time to resign.

Dec-31-11  Bdellovibrio: After 30...♖xf7:

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In this position Giri traded queens with 31 ♕d5, which perplexes me because white's queen looks like a better piece in this position than black's queen. In particular, ♖c6 looks like a better move to me, because it prepares to double the rooks (thereby threatening ♖c8 or ♖c7), attacks black's ♘g6, and prepares both ♖a6 and b6, which will be useful moves later on. Can anyone explain Giri's decision against this move?

Dec-31-11  sarah wayne: After 14.Nb5 Nf6 seems sharper.Now15.Na7 Bd7 and if 16.Nb5 g4
Jan-02-12  rilkefan: FWIW, I'll eat my hat - well, I'll buy a hat and eat it - if Giri didn't play 59.h5+ as a little joke which everyone took as such.
Jul-23-12  Hesam7: Something like 22. Nab2 Bd7 23. Nxc5 dxc5 24. a4 Qc7 25. Nc4 Bd6 26. Be1 Re8 27. Bc3

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Gives White a big advantage: pile on e5, move the King to Q-side and then blow the K-side open. I think at some point White also has to play Nxd6 but it has to be timed correctly.

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