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| Jan-04-12 | | LaFreak III: his temper is a problem..but he is still great |
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| Jan-05-12 | | Riverbeast: Chucky was busted after 29...Rd2 and he knew it
The following moves were just his way of resigning
Maybe he was frustrated, maybe he thought it was more entertaining to resign this way...Maybe a bit of both I wouldn't have been so quick to call it a meltdown, though If he had 'Chucked' (pun intended) all his pieces like this is a relatively even position, or one that was winning for him, I would consider THAT a real meltdown! |
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| Jan-05-12 | | King Death: <andrewjsacks> You obviously know much more about what went on between Kasparov and Kramnik in the rematch they agreed on than I do, but I agree that it would have been the right thing for Kramnik to give him another shot. Max Euwe wasn't the greatest of the titleholders, but he held up his end of the stick in giving Alekhine a rematch. Of course Euwe was a decent honorable man. Just like Tal, as far as I know, nobody's ever had a bad thing to say about Euwe as a person. |
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| Jan-05-12 | | SoundWave: 20...c5 would have made Philidor proud. |
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| Jan-05-12 | | fyjx: chess engine hit -33.96 for white one move before resignation. chucky you did it! |
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| Jan-05-12 | | Garech: Great game from Caruana; I think Chucky must have just been having fun with the last few moves! |
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| Jan-05-12 | | Ulhumbrus: 21 g4 attacks the centre but 21...e4! foils the plan because on 22 gxf5 exd3 both captures a piece and attacks White's Queen. Ivanchuk may have been upset by the failure of his plan. |
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Jan-05-12
 | | AylerKupp: A strange game, with a complete meltdown (for want of a better word) by Ivanchuk. White was probably lost after 23...f4 and 21.g4 weakening his k-side and making way for Black's k-side pawn storm didn't look so great to me either. Caruana's 24...Qxb6 was puzzling to me even though it protects Black's Pa6 since the Black queen clearly belongs on the k-side and White's advanced b-pawn wasn't going anywhere and at that point in the game one pawn more or less isn't going to make much difference. After 24...Qh6 or 24...cxd4 25.cxd4 Qh6 the game might have been over even sooner. |
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| Jan-05-12 | | drkodos: See recent interview.
Dude gets it ... hardly a meltdown ... just a realization that chess is indeed a game. |
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Jan-07-12
| | AylerKupp: <drkodos> Which recent interview are you referring to? I looked at this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0TE... but even though the lead-in (from here: http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/m...) indicated that the interview was held after the Caruana game, Ivanchuk's statements make it seem like it was held before the Caruana game. Don't get me wrong, I like Chucky and maybe "complete meltdown" was too strong a description but, like I said, I didn't know what else to call his moves starting with 30.Qxb7. One of the comments to the game called it "rage quit" and I don't think that this was any kinder. Who knows when the realization hit him that he was about to lose his 4th consecutive game and what effect this had on him? Certainly an understandable reaction and he has my sympathy, but still unusual at this level of competition. |
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| Apr-29-19 | | Nik Hishamuddin: comments like pro but are you pro |
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| Sep-15-23 | | Brenin: With Black's Q and LSB on adjacent diagonals, and his two Rs on adjacent files, all aiming at White's K, it is tempting to ignore the attack on the pinned N on d7, and open up those diagonals with 26 ... cxd4, e.g. 27 Bxd7 dxe3 with e2+ or exd2+ to follow. If White declines the N with 27 exd4 then Bxd4+ 28 cxd4 Qxd4+ looks horrible for White. |
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| Sep-15-23 | | Mayankk: Black has two prized Bishops and the diagonals are itching to be opened, clearing those long roadways for the enemy monarch. So we have 26 ... cxd4 27 Bxd7 dxe3. In the greedy variant now, White grabs the Rook as well. 28 Bxe8 and Black ends the game with 28 ... exd2+ 29 Rf2 e3 30 Rf1 e2+ etc. Black will either mate or Queen its pawns multiple times. In the less greedy variant 28 Nc4 e2+ 29 Rf2 e3 30 Rg2 f3 and the Black pawns will soon swarm the opponent King. Easy to spot theme, not hard to execute either. |
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| Sep-15-23 | | mel gibson: Too difficult for me -
there are so many possible moves.
Stockfish 16 says:
26. .. cxd4
(26. .. cxd4 (c5xd4 Bb5xd7 d4xe3 Nd2-c4 e3-e2+ Rf1-f2 Re8-d8 Qb3-b6 Rd8xd7
Rf2xe2 Qa7xb6+ Nc4xb6 Rd7-d3 Kg1-f1 Rd3xh3 Bh2-g1 e4-e3 Re2-h2 Rh3-f3+
Kf1-e2 Rf3-g3 Ke2-d3 Rf8-d8+ Kd3-c4 Rg3xg4 Kc4-b3 Rg4xg1 Ra1xg1 f4-f3
Rg1-e1 f3-f2 Re1-f1 g5-g4 Rh2xf2 e3xf2 Rf1xf2 g4-g3 Rf2-f5 g3-g2 Rf5-g5
Rd8-d2 Nb6-a4 Bb7-c6 c3-c4 Rd2-e2 Rg5xg2 Re2xg2 Na4-c5 Rg2xb2+ Kb3-a3
Bg7-f8) +6.54/50 735)
score for Black +6.54 depth 50. |
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Sep-15-23
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Two puzzles with the theme of sacrifice to obtain passed pawns in one day. Nice! |
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| Sep-15-23 | | vajeer: I selected 28. e2+ before 29. Rd8
Thanks to <mel gibson> for confirming that is SF choice too. |
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| Sep-15-23 | | mel gibson: <Thanks to <mel gibson> for confirming that is SF choice too.> Thanks - someone appreciates an engine answer. |
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Sep-15-23
 | | scormus: 26 ... cxd4 and 27 ... dxe3 were indeed the first two moves I expected, though without being completely confident. Seeing they were played, then I thought 28 ... e2+ before ... Rd8, which I was confident about.
Good to see SF, and others, agree |
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| Sep-15-23 | | mel gibson: <Good to see SF, and others, agree> Thanks - someone else appreciates an engine answer. |
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| Sep-15-23 | | Chesschronicle22: GM plays almost all his pawn to 5th rank:
Stockfish: Brilliant
Us playing almost all our pawns to 5th rank:
Stockfish: Absolute idiot |
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Sep-15-23
 | | chrisowen: Kit c guess it was thick ruddy amp cxd4 aba au adept net it was a fact puck bod tod bib vibe abacus it was back cxd4 ceo. |
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| Sep-15-23 | | agb2002: White threatens Bxd7.
The black queen x-rays the white king. This suggests 26... cxd4: A) 26.Bxd7 dxe3
A.1) 27.Bxe8 exd2+
A.1.a) 28.Kh1 e3+ 29.Qxb7 Qxb7+ 30.Kg1 Rxe8 wins decisive material. A.1.b) 28.Kg2 e3+ 29.Rf3 Bxf3+ 30.Kxf3 Qa8+ 31.Ke2 Rxe8 is winning. A.1.c) 28.Rf2 e3 29.Re2 f3 looks winning. For example, 30.Bb5 axb5 31.Rxa7 fxe2. A.2) 27.Nc4 e2+ 28.Rf2 Rd8 must be winning. For example, 29.Bf5 f3 with the threat e3. B) 26.cxd4 fxe3 with the double threat exd2+ and e2+. C) 26.exd4 Bxd4+ 27.cxd4 Qxd4+ 28.Rf2 e3 seems to win. |
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| Sep-15-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Maybe: 26...fxe3 27. Bxd7 Rd8 28. Rxf8+ Rxf8 29. Nf1 cxd4 30. cxd4 Bxd4 31. Bf5 e2+ 32. Kg2 e3+ 33. Kg3 Be5# I really didn't study much the strong cxd4 move. However, after seen this possibility: 27. exd4 Bxd4+ 28. cxd4 Qxd4+ 29. Kh1 e3+ 30. Nf3 axb5 31. Qxb5 Bxf3+ 32. Rxf3 Qe4 33. Qe2 Ne5 34. Rf1 Rd8 35. Kg1 Rd2 36. Qe1 Nxf3+... and win. Bad week. |
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Sep-15-23
 | | dorsnikov: Fagetaboudit ! |
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Sep-15-23
 | | HeMateMe: Why did white play on so long? |
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