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Levon Aronian vs Gata Kamsky
Tata Steel Group A (2012), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 4, Jan-17
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange Variation (D85)  ·  1-0

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Jan-17-12
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  FSR: Read the comments, folks! Caruana-Carlsen was a <draw>! This game is actually Aronian-Kamsky.
Jan-17-12
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  chessgames.com: <this live event game was Aronian-Kamsky, while the real Caruana-Carlsen was drawn> Our error.
Jan-17-12  Shams: <Our error.> One pushup for every poster who mentioned the error seems about right.
Jan-17-12
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  FSR: <Shams: <Our error.> One pushup for every poster who mentioned the error seems about right.>

What are you trying to do - give chessgames.com a heart attack?!

Jan-17-12  Shams: <FSR> These are fit young men, not desk-jockeys like us.
Jan-17-12
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  FSR: <Shams> I went to high school with Artidiello. He was a year ahead of me in school. That probably makes him two years older than I, since I was double-promoted from second to fourth grade. Admittedly, I don't know how old Daniel Freeman, the librarian, or anyone else at CG.com is.
Jan-17-12  Shams: <FSR> I know. I've read your profile. :)
Jan-17-12
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  Domdaniel: <FSR> I know us geriatrics have a reputation for being confused by information technology, but you're a bright guy. You've won prizes in the clue hunt, and not every old idiot can do that.

Daniel has a birthday in a few weeks: Daniel Freeman. I'll leave you to do the maths.

Jan-17-12  Shams: I am not a number, I am a Daniel Freeman!
Jan-17-12
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  Diademas: What is this?
Could someone please post the correct game with the correct score?

This is not rocket sience...

Jan-17-12
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  Domdaniel: <Diademas> - < What is this? > A quiz? I love quizzes.
It's Marty Feldman, innit?

Did you find him at a rocket seance?

Jan-17-12
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  FSR: <Domdaniel: <FSR> I know us geriatrics have a reputation for being confused by information technology, but you're a bright guy. You've won prizes in the clue hunt, and not every old idiot can do that.>

True. I hear that some pentagenarians who used to win five times a year can only manage one these days. Sad.

Jan-17-12
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  Domdaniel: <FSR> Heh. We'll be back, once we figger out how to use this newfangled Geurgle thing.
Jan-17-12  visayanbraindoctor: Looks like a human error-filled game. Kamsky just seemed to have collapsed in a drawish endgame. Why did he not liquidate to a Rook ending 45. ... Nxc4?

"All rook endings are drawn. - Tartakover"

Jan-18-12
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  Gypsy: <visayanbraindoctor: Looks like a human error-filled game. Kamsky just seemed to have collapsed in a drawish endgame. Why did he not liquidate to a Rook ending 45. ... Nxc4?

"All rook endings are drawn. - Tartakover">

Ehrm, and Capablanca vs Tartakower, 1924 was Tartakover's proof, right?

Personally, I doubt Black eases his plight by the

<49...Nxc4 50.Rxc4...>


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First, Black immediately loses after the natural but erroneous

(1) <50...Kd5?? 51.c6 Kxc4 52.c7...>


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White promotes the c-pawn and the game is over.

Second, Black is not doing that much better after

(2) <50...Kd7 51.Rd4+ Kc6(?) 52.Rd6+ Kb5 53.Rb6+ Kc4 54.c6 Kd5 55.c7 Rc3 56.Rxh6 Rxc7 57.Rxa6...>


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where White consolidates a second extra pawn for a routine win.

Third, even if Black stays back and eschews the above variations, we get something like this

(3) <50...Kd7 51.Rd4+ Kc7 52.Rd6 Rxb4 (52...Kb7 53.Rb6+...) 53.Rxa6...>


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and Black is also lost.

Jan-18-12
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  Gypsy: Sorry, I shifted the move labeling by 4,
(45 -> 49).
Jan-18-12  ptrckmackay: Why instead of 45...,Nd3+ Kamsky did not played Rxb
Jan-18-12  Shams: <ptrckmackay> Kamsky sniffed the danger-- 45...Rxb4? 46.Rd6+ Kf5 47.g4+ Kf4 (47...Ke4?? 48.Nd2+ Kf4 49.Rf6#) 48.Nd2 and a very aesthetic position arises:


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Black's Knight must move, but amazingly has no safe squares even though it's in the middle of the board. White wins a piece and the game.

Jan-18-12  Shams: <visayanbraindoctor> suggests 45...Nxc4 46.Rxc4 as a possible drawing attempt for Black:


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Try to hold the position (with colors reversed):
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...

Not sure it can be done.

Jan-18-12
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  Gypsy: <Shams> Just a feedback: Tried your 'trainers' couple of times and found them surprisingly fun and illuminating.

For some positions, it may be interesting/useful to set up two trainers -- one from each side.

Jan-19-12  Shams: <Gypsy> Thanks. <David2009> is much better about doing those than I. The chessvideos "build your own board" app suffers from two major drawbacks: it's always White to play, and en passant is not recognized. So, it only makes sense to use with certain endgames.
Jan-19-12  visayanbraindoctor: <Gypsy, Shams> The endgame does indeed seem to be too difficult to hold. (Even if it were a rook ending.) The white c-pawn is too advanced.
Jan-20-12  ptrckmackay: Thanks Shams, indeed the threat of the rook mate loses the knight!!!
Jan-22-12  ptrckmackay: Hey Shams, yesterday I just won a blitz game (I was losing a piece down) with a mate very similar in the middle of the board to your aesthetic position you just show me on Wednesday, the idea for the mate came from your response to my question, thank you!!!


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Jan-22-12  Shams: <ptrckmackay> Splendid! Mates with the king in the center of the board are always nice.
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