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|Feb-28-12|| ||morfishine: Black forces the draw with <51...Rxe3+ 52.Kxe3 Rd3+> since the White King cannot escape the checks. Black must simply keep checking while preventing the White King from crossing over to the Q-side. |
For example if play continued <53.Ke2 Rd2+ 54.Kf3> a mistake would be <54...Rf2+?> allowing <55.Ke3>. Here, Black would continue checking with <54...Rd3+> etc.,
In any case, the game looks pretty dead drawn (even though White is up a pawn) since the Black rooks doubled on the 6th rank prevent any white pawns from advancing. Nice way for Black to end it though: by getting in the last checks
|Feb-28-12|| ||scormus: <sevenseaman: I cannot ever be a good chess player. I saw a <stalemate draw> in a flash but still wasted good 10 minutes trying for an impossible win.>|
You too? ;)
|Feb-28-12|| ||David2009: V Cmilyte vs Lahno, 2012 Black 51...?|
Black's King is too exposed for Black to have any winning chances (for example 52...Re4?? 52 Qf8+ 1-0) so Black should
take the safe and rapid draw starting 51...Rxe3+ 52.Kxe3 Rd3+ 53 Kf2 (or 52.Kxd3 stalemate) Rd2+! and keep on checking on the d file.
51...Rb6 may or may not also draw but why take risks in a position that cannot be won? Time to
Shame on me - I missed th flight square h4 escaping the d file checks. But it doesn't matter. Lucky me!
<dzechiel: But the FASTEST draw here would probably be, "Do you want a draw?", and only if your opponent refuses to you start in with the line above.>
|Feb-28-12|| ||newzild: TUESDAY: 6.21 - 6:26
Hmm. White has a perpetual check looming, and I can't see any way for Black to avoid it. In fact, I've looked at this position for three minutes and I cannot see a win for Black. Presumably this puzzle is a bit of a spoiler, and Black is meant to sacrifice both of his rooks, starting with 51...Rxe3+, in order to force a stalemate.
Time to check.
|Feb-28-12|| ||OhioChessFan: This ending played itself. Obviously Black is looking to draw. Have to start with a check. Then another check. Once you realize that, the Crazy Rook ending plays itself.|
|Feb-28-12|| ||newzild: The puzzle was mildly interesting, but I've been entertaining myself for the past few minutes trying to find a win for White against 51...Rb6. At first I thought it impossible, assuming that the rook pair would be able to stop any pawn from advancing past the 5th rank, but how's this for a winning attempt?|
52. Kf2 Rbd6
53. Ke2 Rb6
54. Kd3 Rbd6+
55. Kc4 Rb6
Not 55...Rxe3 56. Qf8+, winning the Rd6
Now Black has to put a rook on d6, when White wins with 57. Qf8+ Kh7 58. Qxd6.
|Feb-28-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <nz:
52. Kf2 Rbd6
53. Ke2 Rb6
54. Kd3 Rbd6+
55. Kc4 Rb6 >
53...Rxe3+ etc 1/2
51...Rb6 just might be a correct answer.
|Feb-28-12|| ||kurtrichards: 51. ... Rxe3+ =
51. ... Rb6 then it is white which has the option to draw via Q checks in f8 and f7 squares. =
|Feb-28-12|| ||Patriot: White is up 2 pawns and a queen for 2 rooks.
White has all the winning chances, and given the black pawns are frozen in place and his king is immobile...
51...Rxe3+ 52.Kxe3 Rd3+ 53.Kxd3 = (stalemate). If white's king doesn't take then keep checking along the d-file until the king goes to h4 and then Rh3+ Kxh3 is a draw.
It took me a while to see this. I had to make sure I knew which way the pawns were going, etc. It feels like an early morning...
|Feb-28-12|| ||newton296: realized black is in looking for a draw and his king is already in stalemate. realizing that, the rook sac + ending plays itself. |
about 7.5 sceonds
|Feb-28-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <LoveThatJoker> You're right. Somehow, I was visualizing the White king going to g4 when ...Rg3+ would be necessary.|
|Feb-28-12|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: In this rather barren endgame position, white has a Q+2Ps for a pair of rooks. At first, I took this to be "White to Move" (and win) and I was stuck. White appears to be trying to force a zugzwang where one of the black rooks is forced to leave the 6th and the other is picked off by check, e.g. 51... Re4?? 52.Qf8+. However, black can force a draw immediately with |
51...Rxe3+! 52.Kxe3 (Kf2 Rd2+ is no better) Rd3+ and it's a draw by perpetual check or stalemate, e.g. 53.Ke2 Rd2+ 54.Ke1 Rd1+ 55.Kf2 Rd2+ 56.Kg3 Rd3+ 57.Kh4 Rh3+ 58.Kxh3 stalemate.
Also, there appears to be no way for white to make progress after 51... Rb6 and the rooks simply shuffle around on the 6th rank. The WK can never get to 6th rank and no white pawn can advance without being taken.
|Feb-28-12|| ||JG27Pyth: Has it become fashionable to play things out to the last move? I mean once Rxe3+ is played don't you look at the board for a sec and extend your hand?|
|Feb-28-12|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: <newzild> points out the only serious winning attempt if black allows the WK to cross the d-file.|
|Feb-28-12|| ||FSR: 51...Rxe3+ 52.Kxe3 Rd3+, shake hands, sign scoresheets, proceed to bar.|
|Feb-28-12|| ||Memethecat: I like endgame POTD, the answer is usually clever. Draw by rep is within whites grasp & the sneaky b5 pawn wants watching, its Tuesday so you would expect a 1 or 2 mv answer. Phew! had my bearings all wrong & thought f5 pawn was protecting the R, that could've been embarrassing. To get out of this with more than a draw will need a blunder.|
<51...Rb6 52b4> hoping for 52...Rxb4 53Qf8+ <52...Re4 53b3> I'm split here, just saw something that might work, <53...Rbe6 54b2 Rxe3+ 55Kg2 Rg2+> Nope! this is rubbish! its a draw. I should be looking for a stalemate.
In which case the quickest way is <51...Rxe3+ 52Kxe3 Rd3+ 53K~> Just Keep checking on the d file, (don't let K out or it will get help) if K goes to h4, check on h3 & it has to take. stalemate. It has to be, everything else takes ages, in fact I could of got draw by rep in my 1st line but this is more fool proof.
Yes! had to be.
Good workout for Tuesday morning/afternoon though.
|Feb-28-12|| ||Once: Chess is this strange mixture of brutality and chivalry.|
On the one hand we have a battlefield where pieces and pawns are being cheerfully slaughtered. If we could only see it, the 64 squares would be awash with blood and gory splattery bits. With a heck of a lot of blue blood around g8 and g1.
But on the other hand, we have a chivalrous code of conduct which says that kings cannot be harmed and we must always take it in turns to move.
In the final position white would dearly love to be playing Othello or Scrabble. Can't you move, old chap? Then I'll move again. March that b pawn up the board and mate on the back rank.
Or white would love to play draughts and force black to move. The black king would have to move into check and then white would rip his head off. Am I the only one who plays draughts with sound effects - BOINNGG! -??
Instead, let's picture that final battle scene in Braveheart. Mel Gibson wearing woad (several centuries too late) and tartan (several centuries too early) has lost the battle. The English archers have cut down most of the scottish army. He is surrounded on all side by mounted english knights with hulking great swords and nasty looking spiky clubs.
And Mel really wants to say is "They may take our lives, but they'll never take our FREEDOM!!" And if the censors would let him, he would add the words "you Pommie b*****ds."
But what happens instead is that he says "Excuse me, chaps! It seems that I can't move. And you lot have moved already this turn. So I declare this battle a draw."
All the English army look at each other in bewilderment. Eventually one says: "He's right, you know. We can't fight on if he can't move."
And at that, the white army shoulder arms and slope off down the pub to mutter about what might have been.
William Wallace lives to lose another battle and the Scots need to look for another unlikely folk hero to make up for the fact that they've never won a war.
Okay, maybe not.
|Feb-28-12|| ||Robin01: We have a Crazy Rook ending. I guess someone else called it a "Drunken Rook" ending. How many other names are there for the Rook in this type of ending?|
|Feb-28-12|| ||5hrsolver: here is a nice puzzle on chessbase
|Feb-28-12|| ||Yodaman: I am surprised that a 2500+ player didn't just accept a draw offer after 51.Rxe3+. Maybe one or more players were in time trouble.|
|Feb-28-12|| ||eblunt: If I was Black with loads of time on my clock, and White was very low on time, I'd be tempted to play Rb6, just to see if white sat there thinking about it for too long before taking the draw herself with some queen checks ....|
|Feb-28-12|| ||kevin86: I could see no win withy black-so I looked for the draw. Without the rooks,black is stalemate-now to force the king to eat the rooks---so it's check check check...|
I see a check as like a cough;it usually is just a minor nuisance,but if it lingers,it MUST be dealt with.
|Feb-28-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: <FSR: 51...Rxe3+ 52.Kxe3 Rd3+, shake hands, sign scoresheets, proceed to bar.>|
<FSR> LOL LOL. They both must've enjoyed themselves at the bar. I bet my boots they smiled with each other. LOL LOL. It is just like sharing a peace pipe with each other.
|Feb-28-12|| ||SuperPatzer77: <rhickma4: ....If White takes the R it is stalemate, if she does not White continues checking on the d file>|
<rhickma4> Black (not White) continues checking on the d file.
|Feb-28-12|| ||chrisowen: <SuperPatzer77> Castle down and bludgeon him e3 enact go for ground it a coop eel! |
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