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|Feb-23-12|| ||Limpin Kt: Easier than yesterday!|
|Feb-23-12|| ||agb2002: Black has a knight for a bishop and a pawn.
White threatens to incorporate the king rook into play with Rg1.
White's worst weakness is f3. Hence, 23... Rhf8 24.Bxf8 (this merely delays the disaster) 25... Rxf8:
A) 25.f4 Qe4+ 26.Kd1 (26.Kf1 Qxh1+ - + [N vs P]; 26.Qe3 Nxe3 - + [Q vs R]) 26... Qxh1+ 27.Kc2 Qxh2 - + [N].
B) 25.Rg1 Qxf3+ 26.Ke1 (26.Kf1 Qxf2#) 26... Qxf2+ 27.Kd1 Nb2+ (or 27... Qxg1+ 28.Kc2 Rf2+ 29.Kb3 Qxh2 - +) 28.Qxb2 Qxb2 29.Rc1 Rf2 - +.
C) 25.Rf1 Qxf3+ 26.Ke1 Rf4 - +, with the threat 27... Re4+.
D) 25.Kd3 Qxf2 26.f4 Rxf4 - +, with the threat 27... Rf3+.
E) 25.Q(R)d1 Qxf3+ 26.Ke(f)1 Qxf2#.
F) 25.Qe1 Qxf3+ 26.Kf1 Qxh1+ - + [N].
G) 25.Qf1 Qxf3+ 26.Ke1 Qxc3+ 27.Kd1(e2) Qd2#.
H) 25.Qg1 Qxf3+
H.1) 26.Ke1 Qxc3+ 27.Kf1 (27.Kd1 Qd2#; 27.Ke2 Qd2+ 28.Kf1 Ne3#) 27... Qxa1+ - + [N+P].
H.2) 26.Kf1 Ne3+ 27.Ke1 Nc2+ 28.Kd2 (28.Kf1 Nxa1 - +) 28... Qxf2+ 29.Qxf2 (29.Kc1 Qxg1 30.Rxg1 Nxa1 - +; 29.Kd3 Rf3#) 29... Rxf2+ 30.Kd3 Nxa1 31.Rxa1 Rxh2 - + [2P].
H.3) 26.Kf1 Nd2+ 27.Ke1 Qxc3 28.Ke2 (28.Kd1 Nf3 - +) 28... Ne4 looks also winning.
|Feb-23-12|| ||kevin86: The rook to the f-file was clearly the key,one rook is expendeble,the second will force a breakthrough.|
|Feb-23-12|| ||Marmot PFL: 23...Rf8 was not too hard to play, since white can't defend f3 at all.|
8...Bg4? is awful, yet white still loses. It shouldn't take a genius to just castle and win with the extra pawn.
|Feb-23-12|| ||David2009: D Flynn vs F Scheckenbach, 2012 Black 23...?|
23...Rhf1 pressurises the f3 Pawn. Main variation: 24.Bxf8 Rxf8 GOOT! since 25.f4 allows Qg4+ 26.Kd3 Rxf4 and the attack continues.
As White, I would try to muddy the waters with 24.Bd6+!? since if 24...Ka8 25.Bxf8 Rxf8 26.f4 Qg4+ 27.Kd3 Rxf4 28.Rf1 might create nebulous back rank mating threats if Black ever captures the f2 Pawn: but Black can play the pragmatic 24...Nxd3 with a risk-free attack. The best is the enemy of the good. Time to
Here's the puzzle position colours reversed:
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(D Flynn vs F Scheckenbach 2012 23...? colours rversed) with an interactive link to Crafty ES: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
The ES puts up its usual tough fight but it should lose - fair enough I only drew first time round. I console myself with the fact that, against a human opponent in a tournament game, I would think longer bnefore blundering. Enjoy the challenge of winning first time round without an engine!
|Feb-23-12|| ||cormier: 22.Qd3|
|Feb-23-12|| ||gofer: <David2009> Against Crafty EGT I like the continuation...|
1 Rf1 Bd3+
2 Ka1 Bxf1
3 Rxf1 Rf8
4 Qxf6+ Ke8
5 Rf5 Qxf5
6 Qxf5 Rg8
7 g4 Rg6
8 h4 Rd8
9 h5 Rh6
10 Nb7 Rd7
11 Nxa5 Rd6
12 Nb7 Rde6
13 Nc5 Rhf6
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"White" gives up the queen for two rooks and a pawn, but its game over...
14 Nxe6!! Rxf5
|Feb-23-12|| ||Once: <gofer: ... A mountain, a wall, an octopus, a ninja>|
Very well put! Enjoyed that very much.
|Feb-23-12|| ||mworld: pretty simple one today, there's got to be a catch?|
|Feb-23-12|| ||Memethecat: <OhioChessFan My dialup at home is too slow, so here I sit at the library to watch the video. The actress is British, so maybe it was a UK product. But it rang a bell, though I can't remember for sure. Sure is a catchy little tune.> I used to play the odd gig & would occasionally belt this tune out to lighten the mood. It was amazing how many people knew the words, especially since it's not been on TV for 20yrs. ^.^|
|Feb-23-12|| ||chrisowen: <Memethecat> You get there first licking bang on phrase I was thinking too. Electric rooks shepherd in wait allowed to sac one queen dominant it should get going for black I delve in f8 bishop in rook over f3 bubbles up as it cant be defended!|
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|Feb-23-12|| ||chrisowen: Feint ar rash it dutifuls in decision bf7!
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|Feb-23-12|| ||Gypsy: <once: ... So let's start with our fellow player (we don't say 'opponent' when we're in this mode).|
It sure looks like f3 needs redecorating.>
Wonderful reading, sir.
|Feb-23-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: I was able to spot move 23 fairly easily, which should say something for this Thursday puzzle.|
|Feb-23-12|| ||jackpawn: The puzzle itself wasn't hard. I was more taken by the game itself. It was brutal. Hard to believe a near master (2182) could play a move like 8 .. Bg4, permitting a stock combination. At that point of course he's busted. But then white begins potzing around and managed to lose. Ugly . .|
|Feb-23-12|| ||Shams: <jackpawn><But then white begins potzing around and managed to lose.>|
Yeah. I think I like 11.h3 intending 11...Bh5 12.e5+ as an improvement. What do you think?
|Feb-23-12|| ||drukenknight: 10 e6+|
|Feb-23-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...|
<David2009> I tried 2-3 times before I got it right, I did not use computer assistance and tried not to take more than 5-10 seconds on any one move.
It was far from easy ...
|Feb-23-12|| ||TheBish: D Flynn vs F Scheckenbach, 2012|
Black to play (23...?) "Medium"
White is up a pawn, but it's doubled. Black's queen and knight are well placed, but he needs to add a rook to the equation to have a successful attack. The best place for a rook is the f-file, but moving one there immediately loses the exchange. Do we care? Not if the ensuing attack is successful!
23...Rhf8! (or Rcf8) 24. Bxf8 Rxf8
So White is thinking, "OK, I won some material, but now how do I defend my king?" Black is threatening 25...Qxf3+ 26. Ke1 (or 26. Kf1 Qxf2#) Qxh1+ 27. Ke2 Qf3+ 28. Ke1 Qxf2+ 29. Kd1 Ne3+, winning the queen and soon mating. So let's look at tries for White:
A) 25. Kd3 Qxf2! (not 25...Rxf3+ 26. Kc2 Qxf2+ Kb3) 26. Re1 Rxf3+ 27. Re3 Rxe3+ wins the queen.
B) 25. Rf1 Rxf3! exploits the queen's pin of the f2 pawn, threatening ...Re3+, winning the queen. White has no good defense to this threat.
C) 25. Rd1 Qxf3+ 26. Ke1 Qxf2#.
D) 25. Rg1 Qxf3+ 26. Ke1 Qxf2+ 27. Kd1 and now Black can choose between winning the rook or the queen with 27...Ne3+ 28. Qxe3 Qxe3.
D) 25. Ra2 Qxf3+ 26. Ke1 Qxh1+ 27. Ke2 Qxc1 wins the house.
An interesting try is similar to line D, without taking the rook on f8 first: 23...Rhf8 24. Ra2 Qxf3+ 25. Ke1 Qxh1+ 26. Ke2 Rxf2+! 27. Kxf2 Qxh2+ 28. Kf3 Qxa2, when Black remains a rook and two pawns up for an easy win.
|Feb-23-12|| ||TheBish: Hmmm... I missed the simplest win in the game continuation. That was the only thing I was questioning, that in my line Black wins the queen, but for a rook and knight -- after already giving up the exchange, so not an easy way to win if at all. I'm sure (or at least hope) that I would not miss that in a game situation, where I'm looking at full size (3D) pieces and not a small 2D board!|
|Feb-23-12|| ||Madman99X: Maybe some of you deep thinker types can help me out here. Why not 9... Kxf7 ? Surely the position after 10. Ng5+ Ke8 11. Qg4 dxe5 is better than the text?|
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Black's pawn structure is lacking and he can't castle, but he's hosed in both of those departments anyway. This at least gives him some breathing room.
|Feb-23-12|| ||psmith: I am going to guess the solution is 23…Rhf8 and then 24. Bxf8 Rxf8
(a) 25. Rf1 (or 25. Qf1 – either to cover f2) Qxf3+ 26. Ke1 Rf4 threatening 27… Re4. I think Black wins.
(b) 25. f4 Qe4+ and 26…Qxh1+
(c) 25. Qg1 Qxf3+ 26. Kf1 Nd2+ 27. Ke1 Qxc3 threatening both Qxa1+ and Nxf3+. Probably missing some subtleties… good enough?
|Feb-23-12|| ||Nemesistic: This is really easy for a Thursday, is it just me who's seen harder Monday's??|
No point posting the moves as 90% of you guys already nailed it, mostly agreeing on, well everything!
I'll crack a Sunday POTD soon...
|Feb-24-12|| ||rilkefan: <Madman99X> - you're right. Black should have played 8...d5 or ...dxe5. Your line is a lot better than ...Kd7. I figure black was so surprised by Bxf7 that he got discombobulated.|
|Feb-24-12|| ||SChesshevsky: A very instructive game I thought.
If Black did somehow overlook 9. Bxf7, his play to fix his weaknesses and build up his strengths seems to show why he's 2000+.
Maybe after 12. Nc3 white has some advantages but with Black's open lines for the Q & B and the strong pin on f6, the open c & f files, and the weak white d-pawn, I'm guessing it would take some precise play by White to really cash in.
And as the game shows some poor choices by White can quickly turn out badly.
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