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| Jan-29-12 | | JoergWalter: The draw gives Radjabov a (shared) 3rd place for sure. He must have come to the conclusion that this is the best result at the involved risk. Can such reasoning be substantiated with probability calculations? |
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| Jan-29-12 | | Caissanist: It seems to me that most top players today have given up trying to win from the start against their peers (say, others in the top 20). Instead, they wait to see if white tries to win and then counterattack if the opportunity presents itself. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | JoergWalter: <Caissanist: Instead, they wait to see if white tries to win and then counterattack if the opportunity presents itself.> and what does white have to wait for? |
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Jan-29-12
 | | Penguincw: Aronian said he will play real chess and look at this. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | JoergWalter: He forgot to add <if my opponent lets me> + <effortless securing sole first comes first> |
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| Jan-29-12 | | JoergWalter: <LIFE Master AJ: I guarantee that Radjabov will go for the full point ... he's a fighter. You can bet your bippie ... no quick draw in this game.> <LMAJ>'s expert statement. We are anxiously awaiting his video.
Where is his bippie gone? |
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| Jan-29-12 | | Nemesistic: Is AJ bettind his bippy again?? Last time he bet his Sweet bippy, so a bippy must be something edible in AJ's world!! |
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| Jan-29-12 | | swissfed: They are no Kasparov i guess ..... |
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Jan-29-12
 | | paulalbert: It looks like the purely professional calculus, rating and monetary risk reward ratios, took precedence over the both the Azerbaijan vs. Armenia patriotic and general animal fighting spirits. I am not as upset as much as some other fans by the occasional grandmaster draws which occur sometimes in mid tournament and particularly in final rounds where the result is meaningless or where a rational analysis of risks vs. rewards ( pride, rating, monetary prizes ) leads to this kind of final round early peace treaty.
As I anticipated it would, some, but not all, of the grandmaster draw frequency issues of several years ago, self corrected because of fan pressure, professional pride, and organizer invitation discipline and prize structure ( players who just come and GM draw their way to the middle for a fee don't get reinvited ).
I think the Sofia rules are reasonable, but being more of a classical purist, I am not particularly a fan of the 3/1/0 football scoring.
I'm sure we'll get to see a real Radjabov vs. Aronian dogfight in the not too distant future. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | Nemesistic: Does <LMAJ> suffer from foot in mouth syndrome?? "You can bet your bippy ... no quick draw in this one" Well thats one lost "bippy" then AJ,because it was indeed a quick draw! Hardly a man with his finger on the pulse of chess ... |
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| Jan-29-12 | | Caissanist: <JoergWalter> In this particular case, white is waiting for his check to clear. Of course Aronian's not going to play for a win in the last round when he had a 1 point lead. I don't think that Kasparov ever did that either. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | JoergWalter: <Caissanist> right, that would be an unknown kind of insanity. My point is that it was Radjabov who made the draw proposal with 9.Nfd7. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | AlphaMale: One wonders whether Teimour will ever lose another game. Yet water wears away rock. |
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Jan-29-12
 | | Sneaky: This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | SynthStatic: What a lame excuse for a game |
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Jan-30-12
 | | LIFE Master AJ: That was disgusting ... wonder if it was pre-arranged? |
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| Jan-30-12 | | Riverbeast: <I am not as upset as much as some other fans by the occasional grandmaster draws which occur sometimes in mid tournament and particularly in final rounds where the result is meaningless or where a rational analysis of risks vs. rewards ( pride, rating, monetary prizes ) leads to this kind of final round early peace treaty> <being more of a classical purist, I am not particularly a fan of the 3/1/0 football scoring.> I'm starting to think that the problem with 'draw death' in top level chess (which chessplayers have been complaining about since at least the early 20th century....Back to the days of Capalanca at least), have always had something to do with the scoring system. The traditional scoring method of .5 points for a draw and only 1 for a win, naturally leads to the kind of risk/reward calculation you talked about....Where agreeing to the draw will take preference, if not more often than not, more often than most people would like to see If the reward is increased for wins, players would more naturally play for wins...The risk/reward equation is drastically altered in a 3-1-0 scoring system Perhaps the draw problem in chess has always been in large part (if not all part) due to the traditional scoring system? |
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| Jan-30-12 | | Travis Bickle: The fighting spirit of a Champion! ; P |
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| Jan-30-12 | | kia0708: It was great tournament for Aronian.
He played solidly and agressively, winning more games (7) than anybody else, including Carlsen.Congratulations ! |
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Jan-30-12
| | LIFE Master AJ: I don't like quick draws ... but congrats to Aronian. Overall, he played great chess, and had more wins than anyone at Wijk aan Zee since Kasparov. |
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| Jan-30-12 | | capanegra: Just for the record, here are Aronian and Carlsen opinions about Radjabov's drawing strategy. (I suggest to see the video. Aronian's smile and Carsen’s disappointment gesture speak for themselves). <Q: Were you surprised that Radjabov didn't play for a win?A: Yeah, actually I was, but pleasantly surprised.> <<<<<>>>>Q: Did you expect Aronian-Radjabov would be a quick draw, or did you hope that Radjabov would play for a win? C: They can do whatever they want. If they want to make a draw, that's ok. It's a little bit surprising that Radjabov didn't even try. I guess he was happy with this result anyway.> http://www.tatasteelchess.com/tourn... |
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| Jan-30-12 | | Shams: Regarding <swissfed>'s comment, <They are no Kasparov i guess .....> Did Garry ever avoid a quick draw (and take risks) when leading by one point in a last-round tournament? |
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| Jan-30-12 | | cornflake: Magnificent postional play by Aronian in this tournament. Bravo Levon. Well done. |
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Jan-30-12
| | LIFE Master AJ: I personally like the "Sophia Rules," Make draws worth less, ban draws by agreement ... MAKE the players play to a result. (period) |
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| Mar-01-12 | | kurtrichards: Radjabov never lost a game at Tata Steel 2012 but too many draws. Ten draws to be exact. +3-0=10. Just enough to maintain 5th place in top 10 players March 2012. |
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