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Cambridge University vs Bethlem Royal Hospital
"One Flew Over the Kingside Nest" (game of the day Jun-04-2012)
Correspondence game (1883) (correspondence), Dec-??
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen. Normal Variation (B45)  ·  0-1

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Jun-04-12  IMRKs: The pun is EPIC
Jun-04-12
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  Bishoprick: Don't understand why White resigned. Bxg4 White gets two rooks for the queen. That's not a bad deal. Of course, I may be missing something. . . But if he's going to resign because of an exchange down, he could have resigned earlier. The queen "trap" had nothing to do with it.
Jun-04-12  Call Me TC: Epic but inaccurate, therefore pointless and stupid.
Jun-04-12  IMRKs: its not about the queen trap, its about white getting trapped while (the common traditional) thinking he crushed the king side castle when in fact blacks king is way more safer and after Qe8+ Rg8 black is the exchange up and simply better.
Jun-04-12  Badmojo: To Bedlam and Part Way Back. Anne Sexton's hospital.
Jun-04-12  Call Me TC: Bethlem Royal Hospital aka <The Friends of Paul Morphy>
Jun-04-12  solskytz: Chess players: intellectuals or madmen?

Ladies and gentlemen, the answer is right in front of you!

Jun-04-12  Call Me TC: European chess masters seem relatively sane. It's the Americans (Morphy, Steinitz, Pillsbury, Raymond Weinstein, Fischer) that one has to worry about.

<Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. Mathematicians go mad, and cashiers; but creative artists very seldom. I am not, as will be seen, in any sense attacking logic: I only say that this danger does lie in logic, not in imagination.>

Jun-04-12
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  Bishoprick: Call Me TC, why include Steinitz and Pillsbury in that list? As far as I know, neither of those two was nuts.
Jun-04-12  maxi: The nice part is that it's possible to get really good games in the nuthouse.
Jun-04-12
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  HeMateMe: I just hope they weren't serving liver during the pre-game buffet.
Jun-04-12
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  Benzol: Chianti and flava beans anyone?
Jun-04-12  Chessmensch: Very worthwhile stuff re Bethlem Royal Hospital on Google including a Wikipedia article, sites with photos and case histories, etc.
Jun-04-12  maxi: That Steinitz was crazy is well-known. The unfortunate case of Pillsbury, the brightest star that could not be, is different, he contracted syphilis while still young and it affected head and body.
Jun-04-12
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  kevin86: It is usually an asset to open up the castling king against an adverse king;here,black mobilizes the pieces and he takes advantage of it,trapping the impudent queen.
Jun-04-12  Marmot PFL: This is not a very good game. Black's opening is awful, but white, with time to think and many ways to improve the position, ends up trapping his own queen - something they should have seen for several moves.
Jun-05-12  MindCtrol9: I am blind because I see <25.Qe8+> Black must cover with Rook or Knight,then Black move the Queen to <b5>
Jun-05-12  maxi: <MindCtrol9> Your point has already been taken up by <crafy> above in this thread.
Jan-05-15
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  Caissanist: There have been plenty of European masters who went nuts. The best known cases were Rubinstein, Miles, and Planinc, but there were a number of others as well.
Jan-21-15
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  Caissanist: Another one: 1961 Dutch champion Tan Hoan Liong.
Jun-24-16
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  alexmagnus: <. The best known cases were Rubinstein, Miles, and Planinc, but there were a number of others as well.>

Rubinstein had some inborn psychiatric condition, didn't he? Some extreme form of social anxiety for what I remember.

Planinc had depression, which is, while a strong condition, not really what is associated with being crazy.

But what's wrong with Miles?!

Jun-24-16  Sally Simpson: All chess players are stark raving mad.

Except me......and of course Jackson my pink talking chess playing frog that sits on my shoulder and whispers good moves in my ear.

He's whispering something now.

"Don't tell them about me else they will lock you up."

OOPS!

May-03-21
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  Caissanist: Planinc had been institutionalized for many years before his death in 2008, in the same institution where his mother died. Miles was also institutionalized for a while after being arrested in 1987 for trying to enter then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's residence to discuss money that Ray Keene had received to assist him in 1985; he did recover at least partially. Both reportedly suffered from paranoia, seemingly an occupational hazard of chess mastery.
May-03-21
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  perfidious: <Caissanist....Both reportedly suffered from paranoia, seemingly an occupational hazard of chess mastery.>

Long ago, I read a book in which it was noted that studies had been done as to the frequency of mental illness amongst chess masters; the conclusion was that, while it was no more common in strong players than in the general population, mental illness took the form of paranoia more often.

To the best of my recollection, the author's remark went something to the effect of 'Not surprising; chess is a paranoid game, with its constant need for awareness....'.

May-03-21
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  MissScarlett: <Miles was also institutionalized for a while after being arrested in 1987 for trying to enter then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's residence to discuss money that Ray Keene had received to assist him in 1985>

Tony was very angry about this, especially after the cheque bounced.

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