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Alexander Grischuk vs Dmitry Jakovenko
Russian Championship Superfinal (2012), Moscow RUS, rd 5, Aug-07
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Aug-07-12
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  OBIT: <Eyal>I had been having some problems with insomnia recently, but these games at the Russian Finals seem to have fixed that.
Aug-07-12
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  OBIT: Andreikin offers a draw in a position where, according to Houdini, he has a 0.43 advantage - not a huge advantage, I suppose, but certainly one worth playing out.
Aug-07-12
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  OBIT: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Aug-07-12
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  tpstar: <chessgames.com> Thanks for the live broadcast. =)

Grischuk strikes me as a player who needs his Queen around to create active play. I don't view him as a Smyslov who could trade Queens early and grind out the endgame. So Grischuk should avoid lines like the Berlin Wall, especially with such fantastic blitz skills.

This could always be a strategic draw.

Aug-07-12
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  benveniste: Can we call this a "book" draw yet?
Aug-07-12
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  Sneaky: They are sticking around because of the awesome cheese and caviar buffet the players have access to.
Aug-07-12
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  Phony Benoni: They probably won't agree to a draw before trading bishops.
Aug-07-12
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  watwinc: Doesn't Rxe4 win now?
Aug-07-12
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  technical draw: 19 draws in 24 games. zzzzzzzz
Aug-07-12
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  watwinc: Correction: didn't 73 Rxe4 win? And didn't 74 Rxe4 fe 75 b7 Rb2 76 Bb6 win as well?
Aug-07-12  OneArmedScissor: <Correction: didn't 73 Rxe4 win? And didn't 74 Rxe4 fe 75 b7 Rb2 76 Bb6 win as well?>

74. Rxe4 fxe4 75. b7 Rxb7

Aug-07-12
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  watwinc: <OneArmedScissor> This is moving too fast now - but the Black rook was on d2, not b2 at move 74
Aug-07-12  rczcarvalho: Drawn
Aug-07-12
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  Phony Benoni: <watwinc> I think this was the position on White's 73rd move:


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If 73.Rxe4 fxe4 74.Bc7. Black just pushes his e-pawn: 74...e3 75.b7 e2 76.b8Q e1Q+.

73.Bc7 does threaten 74.Rxe4, but 73...Rd2 neutralizes the threat: 74.Rxe4 fxe4 75.b7 Rb2+. If White spends a move to be able to push his b-pawn, Black's e-pawn threatens to promote again.

Aug-07-12
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Aug-07-12
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  Willem Wallekers: 73. Rxe4 fxe4 74. Bc7 (or Kc6 Rh7) Rd2 75. b7 Rb2+ 76. K~ 77. Rb2 is a draw.
Aug-07-12
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  whiteshark: The expected draw but with an avoidable delay.
Aug-07-12
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  perfidious: <whiteshark> For an 'expected draw', here's the latest regurgitation of an old chestnut (N Kosintseva vs T Kosintseva, 2012).
Aug-07-12
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  whiteshark: <perfidious> Right, NK:TK, that's same procedure as every game. I've meant the 2nd half of the game, of course. :D
Aug-07-12
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  perfidious: <whiteshark> Anything for a laugh, don't you know.
Aug-07-12
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  whiteshark: You bet!
Aug-07-12  Pedro Fernandez: Pedro Fernandez: < parmetd: I find the Berlin exctremely interesting and very ambitous for both sides.> Well my friend, if a lot of GMs are playing it, obviously this fact give you some unobjectionable reasons , I guess. Nevertheless, please let me tell you why I don't like the Berlin. Facts: 1.- In just 8 moves 2 minor pieces and the Queens disappeared. 2.- The position is open, frank, unsophisticated and although not completely symmetrical, it has some similar characteristics. 3.- Important! There is not a center of pawns. 4.- The position of the white looks better than black, for several reasons: a) Better distribution of pawns b) They have an active rook
c) The black lost his castling hindering the activity of its rooks 5.- What I consider my main reason: the black are far from losing the game from which I deduce that White does not have the game won simply because the position is too trivial. These are my reasons, but I recognize that there may be a series of complex and interesting cases (subvariants) that I'm not seeing, and if you may explain me the thematic and the spirit of them, then all what I can say is: the truth is that <parmetd> has all the reason to declare that the Berlin is worth playing it.
Aug-07-12
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  Phony Benoni: <Pedro Fernandez: Nevertheless, please let me tell you why I don't like the Berlin. Facts:1.- In just 8 moves 2 minor pieces and the Queens disappeared. 2.- The position is open, frank, unsophisticated and although not completely symmetrical, it has some similar characteristics. 3.- Important! There is not a center of pawns.>

I once knew a Master who would scoff at such positions, saying "Air! Nothing but Air!"

Aug-07-12
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  OBIT: <I once knew a Master who would scoff at such positions, saying "Air! Nothing but Air!"> And I knew a master whose assessment of an opening like this went "Exchange, exchange, exchange... NAHHH-thing!"
Aug-10-12
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  Eyal: Grischuk on the game: <It was the same as all the previous ones [i.e., Berlin games]. I got a better endgame and kept applying pressure, but nothing worked out! I’ve got a mission: I want to show people who play the Berlin with 10...h5 – thinking after seeing a few games they can draw in 5 minutes – that 4-5 hours of torture awaits them. If that appeals to them then there’s nothing more I can do!> (http://whychess.com/en/node/2648)
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