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Shvetali Thatte vs Miranda Liu
Illinois Youth Invitational (2013), Skokie, IL USA, rd 1, Feb-22
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen Variation. English Attack (B80)  ·  0-1

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Jan-12-16  BOSTER: When white King is traveling in " il giocho siciliano" he'd remember that final destination is station <b1>, not on the same line with black queen, or rook.
Jan-12-16
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  kevin86: Easy, but only because yesterday's pin-decoy theme was repeated. White must have wanted to play this one to the BITTER end.
Jan-12-16  satyasai: First time seeing a losing position played for many moves further
Jan-12-16  Olsonist: Drats! Skewered again again.
Jan-12-16  stst: <Jan-12-16
<20...Bxg5!> and that's it. >

Excellent! Like it! ~ compared to the two long "fiction books."

For "easy" POD's, almost always the game hinges on a single move, captializing on some man-made like (not true, of couse, they'erfrom real games) configurations. Hence, only pin-pointing the resolve (the single move) suffices... the rest? quite immaterial!!

Jan-12-16  stst: <..White certainly does not believe in resigning too soon!....mind you, it is a youth event.>

Very well, would like to see Fritz et. al. (or some GM, if any) on the side of White how to counter!! Would like to learn some tough defense in a "down" (but not out yet??) situation.

Jan-12-16  Nick46: My question <Did anyone get all the moves right up to number 51?> was sorta tongue-in-cheek. Glad to see I got a few bites.
Jan-12-16  TheBish: You really have to admire White's tenacity for sticking it out to the bitter end... NOT!!!
Jan-12-16  sfm: There are very few games where it is common to resign, right now I can only think of chess, snooker and boxing.

Otherwise the losing party gains no credit for dropping out before the end of the game. On the contrary.

It is OK to resign in chess whenever you want, but it is definitely always OK to play on, hoping for that piece of luck, that in fact comes very frequently.

It's the player's game and point. Not the spectators'.

Those who think somebody should have resigned can simply stop viewing the game whenever they want.

Jan-12-16  Sniffles: Regardless of what came after, 18... Nc5 was the winning move if it wasn't countered. An inexperienced player leaving the Q and K on the same diagonal. The Nc5 was a nice little Fischer-esque move.

Instead of grabbing an opportunity pawn a much stronger move would have been 20 Pf4 preventing Bg5 and setting up a central board counter attack.

Jan-12-16  jith1207: <Nick46>: I was thinking the same as well, your comment was well timed and definitely got some baits.

<Paul Albert>: thanks for pitching in with the invaluable info. That probably answers all the quotations there.

Jan-12-16  barryh1976: Not sure why this moron didn't resign after move 20.
Jan-13-16  M.Hassan: 20........Bxg5!
<if 21.Qxg5 Qxc2#>
21.Bb5+ Kf6
22.Bd3 Bxd2+
23.Rxd2
And White has to continue in a Queenless game
Jan-13-16  MostlyWatch: stst sed: <Very well, would like to see Fritz et. al. (or some GM, if any) on the side of White how to counter!! Would like to learn some tough defense in a "down" (but not out yet??) situation.>

I put Stockfish (rev. 2.2.2 JA) onto it after 20 .. Bxpg5. I set white at level 9.
I set black at various levels as follows.

White level 9, black level 7; result 0-1
White level 9, black level 6; result 0-1
White level 9, black level 5; result 0-1
White level 9, black level 4; result 0-1
White level 9, black level 3; result 0-1
White level 9, black level 2; result 0-1
White level 9, black level 1; result 0-1

I don't know how these correspond to ELO levels. But I can beat level 1 if I really concentrate, and I'm very weak. It's not a linear matter; I have beaten level 6 or so, ie. my win/loss against level 6 is W/L where W is not zero altho L is large.

There were unpleasantnesses. I don't have a good player interface for Stockfish, I'm using "Chess Wizard" which has no function for playing Stockfish v. Stockfish at different levels. I have to run two iterations of the program and manually transfer the moves. Obviously, the lower the level black's at, the quicker black moves... but, it seems the opposite is true for white, white takes longer and longer as I gradually lower black's level. That and the fact that computer v computer chess games are often boring. They will slide rooks back and forth, back and forth, just short of invoking a draw... Get ON with it!! I want to shout.

In fact, I think most chess games are boring. My interest is in the meta-considerations: Can chess be "solved" without exhaustive exploration of the entire tree of moves? How closely can computers imitate human thinking? Will there be definite limits? Will this reveal anything about people? Are we having fun yet? These are questions that these young people may someday answer.

Jan-15-16  Abdel Irada: <It is OK to resign in chess whenever you want, but it is definitely always OK to play on, hoping for that piece of luck, that in fact comes very frequently.>

That depends to a large degree on the level of play. To be sure, in a junior event or one with lower-rated players, all of what you say is true.

But if you try applying the same logic to games played by experts or above, you will quickly find yourself with many annoyed opponents, because playing on in a hopeless position signals disrespect for an opponent whom you should assume is capable of winning with a huge advantage.

Apr-06-16
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  Penguincw: For those living in Canada or the US, Happy Tartan Day!

Hmm, this Wednesday puzzle looks awfully familiar. I tried extra hard to solve this puzzle, but unlike the first time, I did not even get the first move. I went with 20...b3, but 21.c3 bxa2 22.Kc2, position looks equal.

Just like yesterday, this puzzle is a repeat of one from less than 3 months ago (today it's a Wednesday puzzle, last time it was a Tuesday puzzle). I wonder what tomorrow's puzzle will be...

Apr-06-16  stacase: Since yesterday, I've learned a new phrase; "Pin and Win" (-:

OK it wasn't as sure fire as yesterday, but it did get the job done.

Apr-06-16  Mendrys: Well yesterdays puzzle was a repeat from Jan-11-16 so I'm guessing that its going to be something completely random as by that time CG will realize the mistake as this can't be intentional... though maybe it is. Maybe someone's on vacation.
Apr-06-16  nalinw: I think CG is testing our memory and whether we learn anything from them .....
Apr-06-16  not not: queen is overloaded defending c2 from being mated, so bishop g5 wins the queen; i hope i didn't mess up a 2mover
Apr-06-16  not not: funny, playing on with no queen as if nothing happened

never resign!

Apr-06-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  agb2002: Already seen.
Apr-06-16  jith1207: I have seen this before, Did Punxsutawney Phil predict this year that it would be groundhog day all over again after 6 weeks of winter?

I hope CG keeps repeating that week's puzzle or recent old puzzles and we would achieve 7/7 prefect score with pure conscience.

Apr-06-16  diagonalley: .... this "recycling" of recent puzzles is a very poor show... come on CG you can do better than this (and you know it!)
Apr-06-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: Bloody buggy algos.

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