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Peter Svidler vs Boris Gelfand
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 5, Mar-20
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange Variation (D85)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Mar-20-13  master of defence: Why this game was a draw? Since the f6-knight is lost, black could keep 2 pieces and 2 pawns for a rook and win the engame, no?
Mar-20-13  TheBB: <master of defence> I don't think the knight is lost. Just Nh7 and Ng5, no?
Mar-20-13  dehanne: Why no 23.Nd6?
Mar-20-13  morfishine: Looks like there's a lot more play in this game: for both sides!
Mar-20-13  JCigan: f6 knight has h7 square but black looks better all the same. Don't think we'll see many repeats of Svidler's e3-f4 plan in the exchange Grunfeld
Mar-20-13  solskytz: Gelfand had some very interesting, unbalanced games yesterday and today. A really great player!

But what can you do? Several people are simply stronger still...

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  Willem Wallekers: From the interview on livestream I understood both were in time trouble and close to a nervous breakdown and that's why they agreed on a draw.
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  whiteshark: I would be great if someone could write down the whole analysis given by Peter there. :)
Mar-20-13  csmath: This game shows you why neither of these two will ever be a champion. It is quite remarkable how Gelfand got so close.
Mar-20-13  King Radio: Amazing game. Wish they had played it out, but both players may have been worried that they were worse. Regardless of how well Gelfand does in this event, I really admire both his chess, and his love for the game.
Mar-20-13  DcGentle: After move 13 the following position was reached :

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Here Svidler played <14. e4?!>. If he had just castled to the queenside, his position would have been lethal in my opinion, here there are only 2 sample lines:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Bd2 Nb6 6. e3 Bg7 7. f4 O-O 8. Nf3 Bg4 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 c6 11. h4 N8d7 12. h5 e6 13. hxg6 hxg6 14. O-O-O f5 15. g4 Nf6 16. gxf5 gxf5 17. Be2 Kf7 18. Rdg1 Rg8 19. Rg5 Qd6 20. e4 Qd7 21. e5 Ne8 22. Rh7 Rc8 23. Qg3 a5 24. Kb1 Kf8 25. Qf2 a4 26. Ne4 Nd5 27. Nc5 Qe7 28. Rg6 Nec7 29. Qh2 Rd8 30. Nxb7 Ra8 31. Rhxg7 Qxg7 32. Rxg7 Kxg7 33. Qg3+

Black has to give his queen to avoid a mate in 2.

If Black tries something on the queenside, we could have the following:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. Bd2 Nb6 6. e3 Bg7 7. f4 O-O 8. Nf3 Bg4 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 c6 11. h4 N8d7 12. h5 e6 13. hxg6 hxg6 14. O-O-O c5 15. Qh3 Re8 16. dxc5 Nxc5 17. Ne4 Qc7 18. Bc3 e5 19. Qh7+ Kf8 20. Bb4 Re7 21. Nxc5 Na4 22. Kb1 Nxc5 23. Bc4 Qc6 24. Rd5 b6 25. fxe5 a5 26. Ba3 Raa7 27. Rd8+ Re8 28. Rxe8+ Qxe8 29. e6 fxe6 30. b4 axb4 31. Bb2 Bxb2 32. Qxa7 Bf6 33. Qxb6 Qc8 34. Qd6+ Kf7 35. Rh7+ Bg7 36. Qe5 Qf8 37. Qc7+ Kg8 38. Rxg7+ Qxg7 39. Qxc5

White has an easy win with his surplus piece.


Mar-20-13  fisayo123: Is 7.f4 a novelty?
Mar-20-13  BadKnight: Unlike this one, games should be played out.
Mar-20-13  Expendable Asset: <BadKnight: Unlike this one, games should be played out.> You're stating it in the wrong place to the wrong people. Try sending FIDE a letter with your suggestion instead, as they're the only ones who can do anything about it. Or you can keep complaining and finding faults, which get no results whatsoever but self-frustration.
Mar-20-13  BadKnight: You might have different opinion on the matter, but thats fine. No need for snide remarks. I have the right to express myself, as you do.

There are already rules against quick draws in many tournaments. Even here no draws before 30 are followed.

A perfectly played game is a draw, does not mean players should agree to draw on move one. Its a sport, so IMO it should be played out.

As for FIDE, i find them incompetent and unprofessional on many occasions.

This was a fighting game, yes, but there was still lot of play left on the board. Two days back gelfand lost to carlsen an ending that was "draw" according to the players. I would have loved to see carlsen on one side of the game, just to see how easy it would have been for the other player to draw a not-so-drawn game.

Mar-20-13  sofouuk: <BadKnight>your comment was perfectly legitimate. and draws by agreement should absolutely be banned in such positions
Mar-21-13  Caissanist: If it's true that they are playing without an increment and were both in time trouble, I can understand why they chose to take the draw.
Mar-21-13  BadKnight: Today Magnus declined a draw offer from Ivanchuk in a postion where he was a pawn down "I think we should play out positions. We should not agree to draw in positions that are unclear." Magnus is the boss!!
Mar-21-13  JPi: With h file wild open at move 13. ! Svidler missed a big opportunity to be among the leader with this game. Yes as it was noted up 14.g4 weaks f5 defense scheme. 14...f5 15.gxf exf and Be2-d1-b3+ and if Black plays a5-a4 to stop this manover white still has a3 then Bc2-b1-a2+. d4-e3-f4 is indeed a clever setup vs Grunfeld (Bg7 on a Stonewall) especially if Back haven't the usual c5 counter.
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  Eyal: <Is 7.f4 a novelty?>

Yes, 7.Nf3 is the move that was invariably played here. f4 prevents e5, which is usually an important part of Black's counterplay in this line, and also creates a more massive pawn chain for a K-side attack. As Svidler said after the game, this idea is probably not going to refute the Grunfeld, but it was efficient to throw Gelfand completely off balance in the early stage of this game (at the press conference, he seemed completely disgusted with himself for the way he played the opening). Both players agreed that Bg4 as well as c6 were bad ideas by Black.

Mar-22-13  birthtimes: 14.O-O-O Qe7 15.g4 c5 16.Kb1 cxd4 17.exd4 Rfd8 18.f5 Bxd4 19.Bd3 Bg7 20.Qh3 Nc5 21.Bc2 g5 22.Qh5 with big advantage for White.

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