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Peter Svidler vs Magnus Carlsen
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 6, Mar-21
Spanish Game: Closed. Martinez Variation (C78)  ·  0-1

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Mar-22-13  JENTA: Excellent game by Magnus.
I red all the comments above, very illuminating. Thus, I am starting to understand something about this game. Some things not mentioned above:

1) Why not

15. Ba4 Bd7 and only now 16. Bc2,

I do not grasp.

2) Why not at once 16. Ne3 and only after 16. Qe2 Rd8 17. Ne3, again I do not see. After d6-d5. white took on d5 anyway and if white's queen is on e2, it is not at all safer to take Ne5.

I mean:

16. Ne3 d5 17. ed5 Nd5 18. Nd5

and now:

18...Bd5 19. Ne5 and white's queen is not on a dangerous e-file;

18...Rd5 19. Bb3 perhaps?

3) 20. h3 is a suicide, perhaps even Andersen would say that in the present position.

4) 21...Qd7 now perhaps 22. Ba4.
Therefore, black played 21...Qe6.
After 22. Bb1? black can already play 22...Qd7!

I think that after 22...Qd7 white has to confess the mistake and must play

23. Bc2

back to defend the rook on d1.

5) Why not

31. Bg7

I do not see yet? I mean

31. Bg7 Kg7 31. Qe5+ and 32. Qc5

In a blitz, I would play 31. Bg7 without thinking, because the position is worse anyway and trading the bishops would only help white because of the pawns on dark squares a5 and c3.

6) 34. Qf7 Qe5 35. Qg8+ Kg6

Now white cannot give a check on the 6. road.

36. Re8 Rd1#

34. Bg7 Qe1+ 35. Kh2 Bd6+ 36. g3 Qf2+
37. Kh1 Qf1+ 38. Kh2 Rd2 and checkmating.

Actually, Magnus Carlsen did not do anything so special in the middlegame. He simply applied usual manoeuvres in Spanish games. The point is simply his high exactness. For example, the moment of the move d6-d5.
Rd8:d5 was original and possible due to the lack of white's bishop on b3 (and the impossibility of the move Bc2-b3). Everything else was standard. The endgame is simply better for black because of the wrong-colour pawns a5 and c3. Here, in the endgame, however, Magnus was supremely exact and the finish is enjoyable.

Mar-22-13  FamilyTree: <The thing to note about 33.Qh5 is that it threatens mate by either 34.Qf5+ g6 35.Rh8#>

Wesley So would have played 33...Bd6?? for sure. lol.

Mar-22-13  xyzxyz: Carlsen's 33. ... Qe4 was a big blunder.

Svidler could checkmate by
34. Ra8+ Kxa8
35. Qxh6+ Kg8
36. Qxg7#

Mar-22-13  xyzxyz: Sorry, did not see 35. ... Qa7
Mar-22-13  csmath: <5) Why not

31. Bg7

I do not see yet? I mean

31. Bg7 Kg7 31. Qe5+ and 32. Qc5
.>

Black is not obliged to take the bishop.
31. ... Rd2
and if now white attempt to defend bishop with 32. Qe5 then he will lose queen after 33. Rd1.

Mar-22-13  mojonera: 35.Qh6 Qh7 0-1
Mar-22-13  hchrist: Svidler looks like a patzer in comparison to Carlsen.
Mar-22-13  Ulhumbrus: After 14...Qc8, 15...Rd8 and 16...Bf8 Carlsen is ready to play 17...d5 even without a rook on e8 defending the e5 pawn. What makes it possible? One answer is the move 17 Ne3. This suggests keeping the N on c4 and playing 17 Ba4 instead.
Mar-22-13  Ulhumbrus: In a way the most impressive achievement of the tournament so far. From the black side of a Ruy Lopez, no less, Carlsen simply outplays his opponent and gets the upper hand.
Mar-22-13  engineerX: Svidler's rating is 2750, and from the way this game went, we conclude that his opponent is about 200 elo stronger.
Mar-22-13  b0ch0: <xyzxyz: Carlsen's 33. ... Qe4 was a big blunder. Svidler could checkmate by
34. Ra8+ Kxa8
35. Qxh6+ Kg8
36. Qxg7# >

35. Qxh6+ Qxh7
and nothing happens....

Mar-22-13  b0ch0: sorry for the typo. Qh7
Mar-23-13  JENTA: Today I took a larger and normal chessboard. Again: I am trying to understand the position after Carlsen's risky move

<31... Bc5>

Yesterday, I intuitively suggested to white the move

<32. Bg7:>

to trade the bishops, because white's bishop is bad due to the dark-coloured pawns a5 and c3.

I suggest the following now:

<32... Rd2>

Among other things, white has no good place for the queen to defend the bishop on g7.

<33. Qg4>

Trying to sacrifice the bishop for three pawns.
There are no better possibilities:

33. Qe5 Rd1+ 34. Rd1: Qd1:+ 35. Kh2 Bd6 and black wins the queen (this possibility was a couple of times mentioned above by other commentators);

33. Qc4: Bf2:+ and white is in a checkmate threat:

34. Kh2 Qd6+ 35. Kh1 Rd1+ 36. Rd1: Qd1:+ 37. Kh2 Qg1#

or

34. Kf1 Qf5

After 33. Qg4:

<33... Bf2:+ 34. Kh2! Qg4:>

Not 34... Qd6+? 35. Kh1 and white can win.

<35. hg4: Kg7: 36. Ra4>

That's white's plan: after the exchange of the queens the pawns c4 and a6 are vulnerable.

<36... Rd3!! 37. Rc4:>

Otherwise simply 37... Rc3:

<37... Bg3+>

Black plays on the checkmate.

<38. Kh3>

The only move.

<38... Re3!>

Black plays on the zugzwang.
38... Bf4+ 39. g3! Rg3:+ is complicated, because the bishop f4 is as yet attacked by white's rook on c4.

<39. Rc6>

Now the point f4 remains without defense.
Perhaps 39. g5 is better, to save the king.

<39... Bf4+ 40. g3>

40. Kh4 Bg5+ 41. Kh5 Re1 threatening 42... Rh1#

<40... Rg3:+ 41. Kh4>

41. Kh2 Rc3:+ wins the rook.

<41... Rg2>

Threatens 41... Rh2# .

<42. g5 hg5:+ 43. Kh5 f5!>

Again: threatens mate Rh2#

<44. Rg6+ Kf7 45. Rg7+ Kg7:>

Unfortunately, white won the pawn c4 and the pawn c3 is free, so there is no stalemate:

<46. c4 Rh2#>

This calculation is 15 moves long and is not forced.

However, there is another idea of trading the queens without the sacrifice of the bishop, to attack with the rook black's pawns a6 and c4:

<32. Qg4 Qg4: 33. hg4:>

For example:

<33... f6 34. Bd4>

Here again there is a possibility to consider the sacrifice 34. Bf6: gf6: 35. Rc4 .

<34... Bd4: 35. cd4: Rd4:>

Unfortunately, I am incompetent to evaluate that rook-endgame. Perhaps

<36. Ra4 Rg4: 37. Rb4>

with the hope to play 38. Rb4-b6:a6-c6.
Personally, I would make a draw against a weaker player. An expert analysis is required.

Mar-23-13
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  Eyal: <JENTA> Your move numbers are all wrong - it's 30...Bc5, not 31...Bc5. At any rate, the rook endgame after 31.Qg4 Qxg4 32.hxg4 f6 33.Bd4 Bxd4 34.cxd4 Rxd4 should be winning for Black. After your 35.Ra4 Black doesn't even have to bother with the g4 pawn; the most direct way to win is Kf7-Ke6-Kd5 with c3.
Mar-24-13
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  harrylime: <Jenta>

Not looked at all your post but I'm guessing Carlsen intended 15..Bc4 after 15.Ba4.

Apr-01-13  fokers13: <Just Another Master>,nice failtroll bro,will be cheering for your ban.
Apr-16-13  The Rocket: C3 is not the best plan IMHO in this opening, black gets the open file and other positional advantages.

With regards to engines: Rybka 3 and H3 dislikes the c3 continuation quite a bit, while R4 rates it as best?!, but that version of Rybka plays quite unreliable, albeit dynamic and interesting.

Apr-16-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <The Rocket: C3 is not the best plan IMHO in this opening, black gets the open file and other positional advantages....>

Why bother with the pretence of 'IMHO'? Your arrogance is nothing if not obvious.

<....With regards to engines: Rybka 3 and H3 dislikes the c3 continuation quite a bit, while R4 rates it as best?!, but that version of Rybka plays quite unreliable, albeit dynamic and interesting.>

The first two engines listed agree with your assessment (or do you simply ape theirs?), while the most recent version comes to a different view, so Rybka 4 must perforce be wrong, as it does not conform to your preconceived notions of the way things should be.

Apr-16-13  The Rocket: Yeah, how peculiar that I disagreed with the engine which held a different opinion(evaluation from myself). I must be insane, usually you disagree with those that hold to the same belief as your own.
Apr-16-13  The Rocket: Yeah, how peculiar that I disagreed with the engine which held a different opinion(evaluation). I must be insane, usually you disagree with those that hold to the same belief as your own.
Apr-16-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  thegoodanarchist: <The Rocket: Yeah, how peculiar that I disagreed with the engine which held a different opinion(evaluation from myself). I must be insane, usually you disagree with those that hold to the same belief as your own.>

Hilarious! I almost snorted vodka out my nose, and I wasn't even drinking at the time I read this :)

Apr-17-13  The Rocket: <thegoodanarchist:> Are you serious?:) If you are, I love the fact that you drank vodka on a tuesday!
May-02-13  nimh: Carlsen on the roof
Sep-27-13  zeug: Can black play 33..Rg3 ?
Sep-27-13  Shams: <zeug> If nothing else 33...Rg3 34.Rh8+ looks decisive.
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