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Vladimir Kramnik vs Vasyl Ivanchuk
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 6, Mar-21
Indian Game: Anti-Nimzo-Indian (E10)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Mar-21-13  Ulhumbrus: 9...dxc4 increases White's advantage in space. An alternative is 9...Re8 with ...Nf8 to follow.
Mar-21-13  Hesam7: <Eyal: Kramnik (to Trent): "Unfortunately, while in previous games Vassily had 5 seconds for the last 15 moves, here he had a whole minute".>

:)) Ivanchuk would become World Champion if we had kept the 2.5 hours for the first 40 moves time control that was in place until the 1990s.

Mar-21-13  Eyal: <Ivanchuk would become World Champion if we had kept the 2.5 hours for the first 40 moves time control that was in place until the 1990s.>

I know that's being said (half-)jokingly, but in all seriousness I'm pretty sure he would just think more and get exactly into the same sort of time trouble. What time-trouble addicts really need are better time-management skills, not more time...

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  AylerKupp: <beenthere240> I was just trying to give out what I thought was worthwhile information since many people didn't seem to know about the Houdini lines and evals being available live at the official site. Now that enough seem to know about it I will stop doing so.
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  AylerKupp: <Eyal> Sorry about that and thanks for pointing it out. I had too many pages open and since I'm so easily confused I posted the analysis to the wrong page. I deleted my post in this page and will repost it in the current page.
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  AylerKupp: Aaaarg! I thought I had saved it but I hadn't. Should have checked that before I deleted it. I'll try to recreate it since I thought it was informative. Hopefully you thought so also.

It just hasn't been a good day. :-(

Mar-21-13  Eyal: <AylerKupp> No worries... FWIW I went myself over that line (with some additional sidelines) and I agree with you (and Willem Wallekers) - Kramnik did miss a forced win there against Aronian.
Mar-21-13  KnightPusher: Kramnik is funny and a class act. So is Vassily (my favorite player ever), despite his nose-picking fetish.
Mar-22-13  RookFile: I like Kramnik. He was a worthy world champion and is competing with a respectable result in this event. Maybe he'll win a couple of games in a row at some point, and things will get really interesting.
Mar-22-13  Just Another Master: HE PICKED..... on camera.....DISGUSTING......and Vlad shook his nose-picking hand ...puke
Mar-22-13  JENTA: I did not grasp the point of the move 11...Be7

I did not grasp the move 17...b5 either. Black's rook is still on a8, on the white bishop g2 diagonal. Moreover, in this way black removed Nd7 that defended the Knight on f6. Moreover, because of the undefended rook on a8, black's pawn a7 is dead. Why not 17...Rb8 preliminary? White's dark-squared bishop f4 has been eliminated already. I suspect that this is Ivanchuk's style. Or perhaps I do not understand chess. Perhpas I have wrong intuition?

After 21. Qd2 black could perhaps reply 21...Qe5 instead of 21...Kg7

21...Kg7 22. Bc6 forces a draw.
After 22. Ra5 perhaps 22...c5 23. Ba8 Ra8 and white's attack seems to be over. In a blitz, I would rather play

22. Be4

for a positional play for the exchange?
It seems that today I am unable to calculate the variations, I must stop here.

Mar-22-13  Hesam7: <Eyal: I know that's being said (half-)jokingly, but in all seriousness I'm pretty sure he would just think more and get exactly into the same sort of time trouble. What time-trouble addicts really need are better time-management skills, not more time...>

Actually I remember Anand talking about Grischuk and his time management, and he said something very interesting (at least I had not heard it before): that Grischuk gets into time trouble because it helps him focus.

It is a perverse logic: the more tension the better the performance. People who grow up in high stress environments sometimes get the same thing, they are anxious in normal times but are remarkably calm and collected under severe stress.

Mar-22-13  JENTA: Now I can see: after 17...Rb8 white wins the pawn back by 18. Rc4. But perhaps then 18...b5 19. ab6 ab6 and then 20...c5 can equalize?
Mar-22-13  KnightPusher: Hesam--I've heard that too, but shouldn't there be some practices that would lead the mind to think it was in time trouble on move 5?

After all, if they play better in time trouble they should basically win every game if they could only trick themselves thusly.

I love Ivanchuk but even if he works better in (real) time-trouble, it's a serious flaw. Hell, Aronian explioted it even playing awful moves and still beat him on a flag loss.

Mar-22-13  RookFile: Well, it's not like the guy was siting there vegging out prior to the time control. He was doing a lot of thinking and calculating, so that when the positions came up, he knew what to do.
Mar-22-13  Hesam7: <Hesam7: If Kramnik was playing for a win then the extremely forcing 22 Bc6 was a mistake. He should have played something like 22 Ra5 instead.>

Other non-forcing suggestions: 21 Ne4, 21 Ra5 and computer's suggestion of 22 Nd1!?.

Mar-22-13  Hesam7: And the final repetition, Ivanchuk could have played on with 31...Kf8 32 Qb8 Nc8 33 Qb4 a5 34 Ra5 Ke8 35 e4 (preventing ...Ne7) 35...Rg5 36 h4 Rf5 37 Rf5 Be4 38 Rf6

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Black does not have a real advantage (despite engine evaluations): 38...Bb7 (38...Bd5 39 Qc4 Bb7 transposes and 38...Qd2 39 Kh2 Qe1 40 Qb5 Kf8 [forced] 41 Qc5 White is definitely not worse) 39 Qc4

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The two pawns and Black's exposed King provide adequate compensation for the Bishop.

Mar-22-13  Just Another Master: Chucky had no time, was up to his elbows in boogers and still drew, well maybe Anand will pick Vlad to challenge like Vlad got his only other chance to win the title, lose the chance to challenge and then be gifted an opportunity.
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  HeMateMe: this smelled of home prep. I guess Chuckie deviated from what VK thought would go down, found a better defense that he was supposed to have found.

Nice, aggressive opening from VK, but no points. A tough tournament so far, for the ex world champion.

Mar-22-13  Eyal: <Actually I remember Anand talking about Grischuk and his time management, and he said something very interesting (at least I had not heard it before): that Grischuk gets into time trouble because it helps him focus.>

As far as I recall, Anand once commented about how amazingly calm and collected Grischuk appears to be during time trouble, but the "positive" explanation of why he gets into it so often actually came once from Grischuk himself – indeed, something along the lines that having little time left on the clock clears his mind and helps him to focus (by a similar logic, I suppose, to Samuel Johnson's "The prospect of being hanged concentrates the mind wonderfully"...). Maybe he's also addicted to the adrenaline-rush.

Btw, I would make a distinction in this context between Grischuk and Ivanchuk - it seems to me that the former is generally much less self-destructive and tends to handle time trouble better. For example, I find it hard to recall a case where Grischuk actually flagged, as Ivanchuk did in this tournament twice in a row.

Mar-22-13  csmath: Grischuk said that once and others keep on repeating. It does not mean it is true.
Mar-22-13  Ulhumbrus: According to Zura IM Javakhadze on the chessbase website the black side of this game was very difficult for a human player to defend. And Ivanchuk defended it. Perhaps this tournament is like Zurich 1953 in one respect: every single one of the players is a strong and dangerous opponent.
Mar-23-13  KnightPusher: Rookfile: But he's calculating for 49 minutes on move 5. That doesn't help him set up move 32.
Mar-23-13  csmath: Well played game by Ivanchuk.
I am surprised how enterprising Kramnik got after he lost WC title.

I think losing to Anand is the best that happened to him in terms of creativity. He almost calcified as a WC and now he is playing very active chess. Too bad he cannot convert anything in the last two tournaments.

Mar-23-13  csmath: <And the final repetition, Ivanchuk could have played on with 31...Kf8>

That would have been very difficult position to play in blitz on his clock. Looking at the continuation the whole battle would be an ending with chances for black but eventually down to two weak pawn I am not sure it would have been possible to convert. So Ivanchuk's decision seems to be prudent as the continuation would have been very dangerous at first and then very exhaustive.

Very nice game indeed.

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