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Vladimir Kramnik vs Magnus Carlsen
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 9, Mar-25
Catalan Opening: Closed Variation (E06)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Mar-25-13  Cemoblanca: Gelfand is winning! Levon's 32...h5? was a mistake. BG just played 33.f5! Looks like a turbulent day! ;)
Mar-25-13  Shams: What a turn of events over the last couple hours.
Mar-25-13  queenfortwopawns: Thanks to Gelfi, Magnus is gonna be sole first. Strange tournament, this.
Mar-25-13  DrGridlock: Not sure why we've got the 1/2-1/2 result. Players seem to be playing on in the live feed.
Mar-25-13  Geronimo: <DcGentile> that's old Albert, but am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the young Peter Sellers? And your avatar may have passed on, but mine lives forever: reincarnated where ever idiots may dwell....
Mar-25-13  Pedro Fernandez: Well, they are just kidding <De Gentle>, you're avatar is fine for me. Good game my friend.
Mar-25-13  Eyal: It's becoming a tradition: Kramnik puts Carlsen under tremendous pressure with White, Carlsen somehow survives.
Mar-25-13  Ulhumbrus: <DcGentle: Too bad, that Kramnik missed a certain move, 25. Qe3. He could have won. But it was not easy to spot without engine, I admit this.> 25 Qe3, which re-centralizes the queen, is one of the ways to defend the knight on c3.
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  HeMateMe: Aronian in a fight for his life.
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  Big Pawn: Does anyone know if kramnik and carlsen did a video post mortem?
Mar-25-13  csmath: Yes they did. Vlad looked dejected, Magnus happy.

Yet again, Magnus escaped crappy opening. He though he can play Kramnik-Leko game from Dortmund 2010 but Vlad had reached better position easily. Then I guess Kramnik got tired and blew it with 25. Be5?!

95% of Gms would play 25. Qd4 and for some reason Vlad did not. The rest of the game was classic Magnus defence when needed.

The way Vlad blew advantage against Carslen and won position against Aronian talk "age" to me. He is just getting tired easier now than these two youngsters.

Mar-25-13  csmath: I am sure Kramnik analized game with Leko and clearly he changed the strategy solidifying d-file.

He had absolutely great game and very serious advantage but at clutch he started making second rate moves and Magnus got the life-saver.

Kramnik has these obvious slips more often now as he gets older, I think.

Mar-25-13  RookFile: I can't blame Kramnik for not playing 25. Qe3. The human mind does not eagerly put a queen opposite a rook on e8 and ask what sort of discovered attack black wants to set up. It's true that if he had played the move, the safety clause Qd3+ helps out in some variations.
Mar-25-13  csmath: <I can't blame Kramnik for not playing 25. Qe3.>

20. Qe3 !

That is a monster move, absolutely great enterprising and courageous move.

That is a vintage Kramnik.

He blew it with 25. Be5?

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  Big Pawn: Where is the video? Can someone pleae post a link to it? I think this game was fascinating. White gives up his fianchettoed king's bishop early in the game and allows Blacks LSB to stay on the board!? Kramnik has guts.

Age has nothing to do with it in my opinion. Look, you know how you can tell age is getting to a player? Look at what happened to Karpov. Age caught up to him and his rating went from #2 in the world to 2600 something. Kramnik's age hasn't caught up with him yet. He's over 2800 for goodness sakes. The problem is a simple one: Carlsen is almost 2900 and has his own talent - enormous talent.

When kramnik's rating starts to drop to around 2730 we'll know age is creeping in.

Mar-25-13  RookFile: You have to remember that not two games ago, Kramnik played ....Ne8 and it was revealed that Gelfand could have murdered him. Because of that, I think Kramnik decided to play it a little safer in future games.
Mar-25-13  csmath: Video was on live commentary, it will be updated later, you will have to wait. Kramnik thinks he had a close win somewhere but does not know where.

He will find that out later.

I am amazed how outplayed Magnus gets in openings. If he becomes WC this is going to be the "worst opening prepared" WC since Capablanca. :-)

Mar-25-13  Nerwal: 25. ♗e5 played rather quickly looked very strange to me as well but apparently in the press conference both players seemed to think 25. ♕d4 c5 is quite ok for black.
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  Big Pawn: @csmath - I agree with you. For some reason I love that Carlsen overcomes lackluster openings. Reshevsky played like that too.

It goes to show that opening preparation is overrated. Sure, it helps win games (look at Botvinnik or Fischer or Kasparov's approach to opening theory) but I guess the game of chess is so incredibly complex that it simply doesn't matter. There is enough game left after the opening to allow for both sides, even at 2800+ to make significant enough mistakes.

Strange how Carlsen plays.

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  perfidious: <Big Pawn>: In Karpov's case, age was certainly a factor, though not the only one. A bit of insight is given herein:

Vasily Smyslov

Mar-25-13  csmath: <25. e5 played rather quickly looked very strange to me as well but apparently in the press conference both players seemed to think 25. d4 c5 is quite ok for black.>

I think Kramnik spent some 5+ minutes on Be5.
Short thought that Qd4 is a nightmare for black. I am sure it is because black has little or no compensation for pawn. White defence solid and there is a headache how to keep white busy so that a-pawn does not move.

Give this position to Kramnik to analize some time and I think nobody could stop him. I think he just flipped the coin with Be5. But not good enough.

Mar-25-13  csmath: On the conference Kramnik looked tired, and he looked as if he did not give full consideration to the middlegame position.

He did play monster move 20 Qe3! which I think is extremely hard to find OTB. Only great players would find this. That shows you he is still very, very strong.

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  tamar: Ordinarily we don't think of Magnus like Alekhine, but his play here reminded me of how Alekhine held off Capablanca in game after game after achieving a match lead.

20 Qe3! was a very Capa move, but as Kramnik said, a "millimeter" short of winning. Carlsen found a precise way to keep the disadvantage within drawing range with 22...Re8

Mar-25-13  The17thPawn: I'm starting to wonder why carlsen just doesn't essay the Hedgehog as his standard effort with the black pieces? The defense is tailor made for a creative and tenacious defender. I think he'd drive the rest of the Super GM's to the looney bin. Oh wait! he's pretty much done that already:)
Mar-25-13  Ulhumbrus: According to Houdini the move 28 a3 lets slip most of White's advantage. Here is the Houdini analysis of three alternatives to 28 a3:

0.56 28.Kf2 Qxa2 29.Qc3 Qb3 30.Rd2 f6 31.Qxb3 Bxb3 32.Bd4 Kg6 33.Rb2 Bc4 34.h4 Rd8 35.Be3 Be6 36.Rb7 Rd7 37.Rb6 Kf7

0.49 28.Rd4 Qxc7 29.Bxc7 Bxa2 30.Kf2 Ra8 31.Bf4 g5 32.Be5 Ra5 33.Rd2 Rxe5 34.Rxa2 Rc5 35.h4 gxh4 36.gxh4 Rc6 37.e4 Kg6

0.37 28.e4 Bc6 29.Qd6 Qe2 30.Rf1 Bxe4 31.Bxg7 Bg6 32.Qd4 Qxa2 33.Qb2 Qxb2 34.Bxb2 Re2 35.Bd4 Rd2 36.Be5 Re2 37.Bf6 Bf5

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