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Vladimir Kramnik vs Magnus Carlsen
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 9, Mar-25
Catalan Opening: Closed Variation (E06)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Mar-25-13  csmath: <According to Houdini the move 28 a3 lets slip most of White's advantage.>

There is no much advantage left before that move either. It is already in the realm of draw. But yes, that a3 just finished the whole thing. Couple of second-rated moves it was all it took.

Mar-25-13  csmath: The good thing about Magnus defence is that it is always active defence, he never waits.

Second is that he is always pretty good and rarely makes costly blunders.

Anyway, I'd say this poor opening play he has will sooner or later blow up in his face.

Mar-25-13  iamsheaf: If Kramnik had won this the tournament would have 3 leaders, Vlad, Carlsen and Aronian...
Mar-25-13  coolchess1: Good effort from Vlad but unfortunately not able to take to the logical end. This again proves my theory that Carlsen on a consistent basis cannot win in a match either against Kramnik or Anand. These two old giants with some nice energy supplements(may be some cocktail mixed redbull + cocoa [hope it doesn't become a drug:)?] during the game will defeat MC in a match. I still hope lady luck escapes carlsen in the rest of the games and he crashes out of the tourney. Want Kramnik/ Aronian to qualify to play against Anand.
Mar-25-13  IndigoViolet: <This again proves my theory that Carlsen on a consistent basis cannot win in a match either against Kramnik or Anand.>

Consistency unlikely to be required. Just one victorious match would probably be an end to it.

Mar-25-13  csmath: I think precisely the opposite. He would beat both because it is so hard to finish him off when you have advantage. And when Kramnik/Anand make oversight he would kill them. Kramnik makes oversight every now and then. And Anand plays more passive lately than he used to.

I think Magnus play is overall stronger - except for openings. :-)

Mar-25-13  IndigoViolet: <20 Qe3! was a very Capa move, but as Kramnik said, a "millimeter" short of winning.>

Aronian survived by a miracle, Carlsen by a millimetre.

Mar-25-13  IndigoViolet: <You have to remember that not two games ago, Kramnik played ....Ne8 and it was revealed that Gelfand could have murdered him.>

I didn't catch the post-game press conference. Were the players already aware of the seriousness of Kramnik's mistake? Did he say what he had in mind by playing it?

Mar-25-13  Eyal: <According to Houdini the move 28 a3 lets slip most of White's advantage. Here is the Houdini analysis of three alternatives to 28 a3:

0.56 28.Kf2 Qxa2 29.Qc3 Qb3 30.Rd2 f6 31.Qxb3 Bxb3 32.Bd4 Kg6 33.Rb2 Bc4 34.h4 Rd8 35.Be3 Be6 36.Rb7 Rd7 37.Rb6 Kf7

0.49 28.Rd4 Qxc7 29.Bxc7 Bxa2 30.Kf2 Ra8 31.Bf4 g5 32.Be5 Ra5 33.Rd2 Rxe5 34.Rxa2 Rc5 35.h4 gxh4 36.gxh4 Rc6 37.e4 Kg6

0.37 28.e4 Bc6 29.Qd6 Qe2 30.Rf1 Bxe4 31.Bxg7 Bg6 32.Qd4 Qxa2 33.Qb2 Qxb2 34.Bxb2 Re2 35.Bd4 Rd2 36.Be5 Re2 37.Bf6 Bf5>


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The reason there's a sharp drop in the evaluation after 28.a3 is the rather amazing move <28...Bc6> (with the strong threat of Qxe2), after which White will find it difficult to even maintain equality (29.Kf1 Qb5!); but that's such a purely "opportunistic" tactical move, which seems to go completely against the natural course of the game, that I wouldn't seriouly expect any human player to make it.

So after 28...f6 the evaluation again goes up a little for White. But at any rate, 28.a3 makes sense in preserving the a-pawn; in the "recommended" computer lines Black can swap queens and play Bxa2, so that with 4 vs. 3 on the same wing the draw would be even clearer, regardless of whether the evaluation is 0.50 or 0.30.

Mar-25-13  Marmot PFL: <I am amazed how outplayed Magnus gets in openings. If he becomes WC this is going to be the "worst opening prepared" WC since Capablanca. :-)>

Carlsen doesn't care what the position looks like as long as he can hold it. If you like positions that almost (but not quite) win, play the Catalan, and you will get plenty. White gets endings most of the time (which Kramnik likes), but these are almost never winnable against accurate defense.

Mar-25-13  csmath: There was a little more than in this game.

<with 4 vs. 3 on the same wing the draw would be even clearer>

It is mostly a draw so that is why a3 really did not matter but it is not always a draw until you play it out. Carlsen or not Carlsen. :-)

Give nobody credit before it is tested.

Mar-25-13  csmath: Position after 24 moves was seriously dangerous for black and black (Carlsen or anybody else) would have a hard time proving his draw. Unfortunately for Kramnik black was not tested as Kramnik gave most of his advantage with 25. Be5?
Mar-25-13  Marmot PFL: <Unfortunately for Kramnik black was not tested as Kramnik gave most of his advantage with 25. Be5?>

There are alternatives that prevent simplification, but none that gives much more advantage.

Mar-25-13  csmath: 25. Qd4 was not only to prevent "simplification" but to kepp the pieces coordinated and tactical play for e2 out of reach.

To have a clean pawn up is pretty good advantage I'd say. Surely not something anybody would want to play down with Kramnik.

Mar-25-13  csmath: The long think after 25. ... Nd5 Kramnik got into tells me he either did not seriously consider the consequences of Nd5 (flipping the coin so to speak - I know the feeling when you get tired of analisys) or simply saw some other "mirage" that evaporated after 25. ... Nd5.

He basically allowed Magnus to reach defensible ending.

With Kramnik you do not get that luxury very often. Magnus in general has hard time playing Kramnik with black pieces, he knows that.

Mar-25-13  csmath: Alternative what Kramnik played in 25th move:

25. Qd4 (natural and good) ... c5 (looks something Magnus would play)

26. Qd2 ... Kg8 (wants to remove king from checks)

27. Kg2 ... Bc4 (again, this is Magnus style I think)

28. g4 (proposed in live commentary - decent positional move)

Now white needs to find plan to move a-pawn. There is no doubt he has serious advantage but black is not on ropes yet.

The fact is that vintage Kramnik could grind Kasparov with a pawn up as he did in London thus I am quite sure nobody wants to get this type of position against Kramnik.

Mar-25-13  Just Another Master: Amazing how MC can hold any ending a pawn down and win any even almost against super-GMS, has there ever been anyone like this? And dont give me Capa, he was overrated in the ending, his middlegame was so good he was already won, Rubenstein would be my closest match imho.
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  diceman: <Just Another Master: Amazing how MC can hold any ending a pawn down>

Any ending?

Id could set up many where I could beat him.

Mar-26-13  Just Another Master: You couldnt get that far before you resigned tho.... :) Unless your openings are top notch, then MC may have a job for you.
Mar-26-13  csmath: From chessbase:

<Kramnik got a nice advantage in a Catalan: “Actually it was my preparation for Kazan; I was about to play it against Radjabov in 2011 but finally for some reason I decided to play something else. Since that time I was keeping it and nobody played it. This 11.Qc2 and 12.Rd1 is kind of a new set-up; it’s quite dangerous I believe.” Carlsen: “I didn't know the details too much of this line. I more or less had to figure it out over the board. It’s not so easy to play and the way I played, he got a stable advantage so I probably did something wrong. I was just trying to find a good plan which I probably didn’t succeed in doing.”>

I guess it was a mistake for Magnus to assume that playing along lines of 3-year-old game would be a safe thing to do. It looked like Kramnik knows exactly what he was doing which this confirms.

It is a huge credit to Carlsen that he played courageous active defence and grabbed the first opportunity to "simplify" the game with 25 ... Nd5.

However, this whole line is poisinous.

Mar-26-13  Hesam7: Kramnik's big mistake was 25 Be5? instead something like 25 Qd4! c5 26 Qd2 Ra8 27 Kg2 Qa3 28 Rb1


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would have kept his winning advantage.

Mar-26-13  Hesam7: <Eyal: The reason there's a sharp drop in the evaluation after 28.a3 is the rather amazing move <28...Bc6> (with the strong threat of Qxe2), after which White will find it difficult to even maintain equality (29.Kf1 Qb5!); but that's such a purely "opportunistic" tactical move, which seems to go completely against the natural course of the game, that I wouldn't seriouly expect any human player to make it.

So after 28...f6 the evaluation again goes up a little for White. But at any rate, 28.a3 makes sense in preserving the a-pawn; in the "recommended" computer lines Black can swap queens and play Bxa2, so that with 4 vs. 3 on the same wing the draw would be even clearer, regardless of whether the evaluation is 0.50 or 0.30.>

After 28...Bc6 29 Kf1 Qb5 30 f4


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Black has to go for the perpetual check, because after 30...f6? 31 Rd6


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the draw for Black is not clear cut anymore.

Mar-26-13  csmath: <would have kept his winning advantage.>

I don't think it was winning though but it was surely good enough to torture any opponent long into game. Magnus, given his active play was ready to fight. It is not so easy to beat him.

Mar-26-13  csmath: What is interesting is that Kramnik spent some time going into known variation (to him) which means his memory is not so great (?) but then disintegrated his advantage shortly after some original play.

What does that say?

Mar-26-13  Eyal: Position after 22.Ra4:


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Here, <22...Ra8> - trying to hold on to the a-pawn - looks like a terribly passive move which I wouldn't expect Carlsen to play anyway; but as it turns out, there's even a very pretty direct tactical refutation of it, due to the spoiled coordination between the rooks: 23.Bxh6!! gxh6 24.Rh4 - and now: 24...h5 25.Qg5! with 26.Rxh5+ coming; 24...Ng8 25.Qe4+ picking up the rook on b7; or 24...Qf8 25.Ne4! Ng8 (if Black defends the knight with the queen White simply exchanges and wins again with Qe4+) 26.Ng5+ Kh8 27.Nxe6 fxe6 28.Rd7 and Black is helpless against the threats of 29.Qe5+ Nf6 30.Qg5! and 29.Qe4 Nf6 30.Qg6! Nxd7 31.Rxh6+ Qxh6 32.Qxh6+ Kg8 33.Qxe6+ & 34.Qxd7.

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