Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Alexander Grischuk vs Fabiano Caruana
FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013), Elancourt FRA, rd 4, Sep-25
King's Indian Defense: Normal. King's Knight Variation (E60)  ·  1/2-1/2



explore this opening
find similar games 74 more Grischuk/Caruana games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: Premium members can see a list of all games that they have seen recently at their Game History Page.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 7 OF 7 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Sep-25-13  boz: I'd hate to have to prove it but this looks winnable for White.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: <boz> Yes, it feels that way. The Knight is vulnerable, and White may be able to consolidate and advance by chasing it. But it's very far from easy.
Sep-25-13  chessdgc2: boz: By all means, it's not simple, but if White plays his cards right, he certainly can win...I suppose with perfect play, Black can also hold, but Caruana is no kin to Houdini
Premium Chessgames Member
  hoodrobin: This looks drawn to me.
Sep-25-13  boz: If White can get his e and f-pawns to the 6th rank Black will have to contend with back-rank mate possibilities.
Sep-25-13  chessdgc2: boz: That's true and White can do that in the ensuing moves
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: <chessdgc2> Is that Houdini the escapologist or Houdini the chess engine? Though I guess he isn't *either* of them...
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: I had an ending like this -- Rpp vs R+N -- in the Irish Championship a couple of years ago. My opponent was German ... go figure. And it was drawn, after I'd missed several winning chances.
Sep-25-13  chessdgc2: Dom::), well, they named the engine after the escapologist so I suppose if you're kin to one, you're kin to the other
Premium Chessgames Member
  hoodrobin: Good game!
Sep-25-13  boz: Draw. I guess White can't prevent the rook trade or perpetual check.
Sep-25-13  JeffCaruso: Even 57. ♔g6 ♖xf6+ 58. ♔xf6 ♘e4+ is a draw
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: Yeah, after ...Rf2+ there's no way to avoid the draw. A pity, but it was a good game.
Premium Chessgames Member
  eternaloptimist: It looks like 39.♙g3 (instead of 39.♙gxh3) would've given Grischuk a better chance of winning this game b/c he would've had a better ♙ structure then.
Sep-25-13  haydn20: One might have to go all the way back to 20. Ndb5 instead of Ncb5 as the former retains the threat of Na4 and might be much stronger.
Sep-25-13  SirRuthless: Another sweet escape by Caruana. He said himself that he got lucky but this type of getting lucky is a skill in my opinion. Why Grischuk decided to break up his kingside pawns will remain a mystery. I suppose he had no time near moves 30-40.
Sep-26-13  Ulhumbrus: After 41...Nf5 is there any need to let Black's knight in by 42 e4? An alternative is 42 R1d3 or 42 Rd5-e5 with the plan of h4-h5
Sep-26-13  Refused: <Ulhumbrus: After 41...Nf5 is there any need to let Black's knight in by 42 e4? An alternative is 42 R1d3 or 42 Rd5-e5 with the plan of h4-h5>

Doesn't change much.

44.Rxe3 Bxe3

As soon as the e-pawn is out black should be able to hold.

Grischuk last error probably was
39.g3 was probably better because it keeps the pawn structure intact.

But it's hard to blame Grischuk for that.
He had less than 5 minutes for his last 10 moves before the time control. With a bit more time on his clock I think he wouldn't have captured there.

Sep-26-13  SirRuthless: He had 20 seconds for his last 5 moves with no Increment. Some of the most severe time pressure I have seen in a classical game where the sufferer managed not to lose, that I can remember.
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <SirRuthless> obviously never saw some of my games; as several kibitzers here may recall, time trouble was a more than occasional occurrence with me. Maybe the worst one was I when successfully made twenty moves with a minute left against Art Feuerstein in New Jersey many years ago.
Sep-26-13  Refused: <SirRuthless: He had 20 seconds for his last 5 moves with no Increment. Some of the most severe time pressure I have seen in a classical game where the sufferer managed not to lose, that I can remember.>

I didn't remember how much Grischuk excactly had for his last 5 moves. But yes, like I said, he basically had to blitz out his last moves. But Grischuk is so used to those situations. It feels like 60%+ of Grischuk games end up in him being in Zeitnot.

Sep-26-13  SirRuthless: You have to wonder if he somehow enjoys the time pressure. It is as if he likes to handicap himself in this way. At age 30 you would think it was time to play a bit quicker in the opening hour of play so as not to get into zeitnot in the critical period moves 25-40.
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: It was only in my late thirties that I got over the worst of the time-trouble addiction, after reading on Mark Dvoretsky's methods for combatting the disease.
Sep-26-13  SirRuthless: When you say "addiction," are you saying that you would engage in this behavior on purpose or was it just happenstance from over-analyzing various lines and not being aware of the clock?
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: In those cases where I got into time trouble, it was very often a case of trying to see everything to the end.
Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 7)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 7 OF 7 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
Reversed KIA
from 98_A07_King's Indian Attack by whiteshark
98_EEE e3 Poison by Axel Smith
by whiteshark

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC