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Fabiano Caruana vs Magnus Carlsen
Gashimov Memorial (2014), Shamkir AZE, rd 4, Apr-23
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1-0

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Apr-23-14  SugarDom: Let's not forget that Caruana at one time was 2800 live. Him winning over Carlsen sometimes shouldn't be that shocking. He's currently no.4 ranked too.
Apr-23-14
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  Jambow: Agreed SugarDom Agreed.
Apr-23-14
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  HeMateMe: The Fabster!
Apr-23-14  KingPetrosian: That was embarrassing for Carlsen! I am no chess grandmaster, but it looked to me like he played terribly - at least in relative to Caruana's play.
Apr-23-14  Garech: Fantastic win for Fabiano, huge congratulations! I agree with the posts above that he is the main contender vs. Carlsen. Here's to hoping he will qualify for the Candidates Tournament next year!

-Garech

Apr-23-14  PJs Studio: Two American top super GMs. I never thought I would say that in my lifetime...
Apr-23-14  devere: <Garech: Fantastic win for Fabiano, huge congratulations! I agree with the posts above that he is the main contender vs. Carlsen. Here's to hoping he will qualify for the Candidates Tournament next year!>

There is no Candidates Tournament scheduled until 2016.

Apr-24-14
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  ajk68: I'm a bit surprised Carlsen couldn't get a draw after his blunder (although I don't claim to understand chess at this level). He still had the bishop pair. Caruana didn't have a passed pawn; he did have more space. It would have seemed he could have tried to steer the game toward an opposite bishop endgame or a drawn R+P vs. R endgame. He appears to have gone for swindles.

Maybe Carlsen's weakness is that he's not good at recovering from a blunder?

Apr-24-14  Pedro Fernandez: A very good exposition <Simpson>, I liked. Quite interesting because it contains a number of important truths about chess and their actors.
Apr-24-14  talwnbe4: Using Fruit 2.1, it thinks 17.. Ke7 would give black an easier game. I was wondering myself why Carlsen didn't play this somewhere around here. That h8 rook was .. looking good there in the corner.
Apr-24-14
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  whiteshark: Daniel ♔ shows the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdP...
Apr-24-14
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  whiteshark: <out-Carlsened>, a cb report w/ annotation http://en.chessbase.com/post/gashim... (u hav2 scroll down)
Apr-24-14  Chris321: I got two words for this game..."Good Horse".
Apr-24-14  mrbasso: <He still had the bishop pair> That's the problem with weaker players. They don't look at the position. Hell, a secured knight on d5 is stronger
than any restricted bishop.
Apr-24-14
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  Richard Taylor: <whiteshark> Thanks for that link to YouTube. Daniel King does some good videos. There was more to the danger of Black's position than I thought. I saw most of that except the ingenious Rc4!!? which was not played but Caruana calculated that all before taking on f7...

King didn't point out that Carlsen was well aware that his c5 was a strategical mistake.

But a good commentary for sure.

Apr-24-14  Ulhumbrus: A comment from < Ramirez Alvarez, Alejandro > on the website page http://en.chessbase.com/post/gashim... suggests that after 23 Nd5 White is threatening potentially not only Nxc7 followed by e5-e6 but also Nxe7 followed by f4 and Bh4. As Caruana said, White has the advantage even if Black does not make the blunder.
Apr-25-14
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  offramp: <dehanne: Honeymoon is over for Carlsen.> Carlsen is still a great player! I would hope that the honeymoon is over for that dastardly Berlin Defence. The only Defence in chess history that is even more boring than the Orthodox QGD.

I would hope that players will say to themselves, "Let's play something with a bit of oomph" and against 1.e4 play something lively.

Apr-25-14
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  perfidious: <offramp....I would hope that the honeymoon is over for that dastardly Berlin Defence. The only Defence in chess history that is even more boring than the Orthodox QGD.>

You aren't the only one who hopes to see the Berlin Wall go into the shades, for it is an abomination.

Apr-25-14  KingG: To be honest, I think 1.e4 has bigger problems than the Berlin Defence, which is at least an interesting endgame that relies mostly on understanding, rather than engine analysis. Black has actually won a lot of games in this line at the highest level, due to this factor, and White obviously has his chances as well.

The Marshall Gambit is a lot more boring IMO, since it is basically just a test of opening preparation. If both players have done their homework, and don't blunder, it almost always leads to a draw. The anti-Marshalls on the other hand, aren't as interesting as the main-lines of the Ruy Lopez, and also don't seem to promise White anything.

Apr-25-14  Petrosianic: <The Marshall Gambit is a lot more boring IMO, since it is basically just a test of opening preparation. If both players have done their homework, and don't blunder, it almost always leads to a draw.>

The key phrase in what you just said is "if both players have done their homework".

Apr-25-14  KingG: <The key phrase in what you just said is "if both players have done their homework".> At the top level, they usually have.
Apr-25-14  Petrosianic: If a GM expects the Marshall, certainly. If he doesn't, there's a good chance he won't be properly prepped. Kind of like the King's Gambit.
Apr-25-14  PJs Studio: Right on offramp. The Berlin is tasteless! Yet, solid - which at this level is critical! I think the QGD is more interesting, but very played out.
Jul-25-14  Conrad93: < Two American top super GMs. I never thought I would say that in my lifetime...> Except he isn't American.
Apr-10-20
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  Jambow: Interesting when Caruana wins against Magnus it involves positions Magnus tends to dominate in.
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