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| Apr-29-14 | | Memethecat: Draw, what a surprise. Still, you don't get anything for not at least trying to create.. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | DcGentle: So it was a plain end and no fairytale of 101 moves. Pity. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: Hi my dear <Tiggler>, nice to know about you. You know my English is not good, so it is very probable you're right. Greetings! |
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| Apr-29-14 | | kwid: Apr-29-14
< Ulhumbrus: My present guess is a draw> You are right! But CM could have taken the liberty to employ "king roaming" from the squares h6 to h8 and then to a8 up to a5 and return to keep his opponent away from preparing for his next encounter> |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Tiggler: <You know my English is not good, so it is very probable you're right> <Pedro> Greetings! But the Azeris' English is not good either, so maybe you have an advantage. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: So we have to wait until tomorrow <Tiggler> and we shall see what happens, but anyways we will have a very interesting game, hopefully. |
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Apr-29-14
 | | AylerKupp: <whiteshark> What would you have done to the Black player in the event he lost the game? |
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Apr-29-14
 | | offramp: ... Ba4. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | kwid: < DcGentle: So it was a plain end and no fairytale of 101 moves. Pity.>
Hello, what about an other challenge game for our team? It could serve as a model of how to play best chess in this computer age for all to see. I am sure such demonstration against a very high rated GM with corr. experience would attract attention world wide and therefore makes good busyness sense for this site also. The highest attention could be attracted if a certain fashionable opening line were to be chosen with a game starting position at the end of the best theoretical recommended line. It comes to mind that one of Anand's or Carlson's preferred pet lines would catch the most attention. What do you think about it? |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: BTW, tomorrow the games begin at 3:30 pm local = 4:30 am ET/USA. For those mates living in Europe take the Big Ben as reference(lol). |
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| Apr-29-14 | | whiteshark: <AylerKupp: <whiteshark> What would you have done to the Black player in the event he lost the game?> I see a sympathetic back-slapping. Eventually he did it for the team. ;) To quote the legendary coach of the national German football team: <After the game everything remains as before the game."> |
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| Apr-29-14 | | DcGentle: <kwid>: Well, I am sure the next challenge game will come up sooner or later. Whether we should agree upon a certain opening variant before the game starts, would be a new idea. I am not sure, what a future opponent of the World Team would think about it. But maybe it's ok, although I guess we could attract more attention with the big popularity of the next opponent. We'll see. :-) |
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| Apr-29-14 | | cro777: <Pedro Fernandez> The game starts at 1:30 pm local time. <Tiggler> is right. The first tie-break criterion, a greater number of wins, applies. In case of a draw, Carlsen is the winner. (A tie-break match is played only in case of a tie according to both, the points and the additional criteria). |
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| Apr-29-14 | | cro777: The tournament regulations might have been formulated somewhat ambiguously, but Chief Arbiter Faik Gasanov confirmed that number of wins will decide in case of a tie. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | DcGentle: The 101 moves show it, Carlsen had no real idea how to win this game. BUT there IS a way to win it. I was wrong too, claiming that g4 is the weak spot in White's camp. After all it's not so difficult to see that all the pawns on b2, e3, and e4 are weak spots, but the hard part is to determine, how to attack these weak spots. During the game I accidentally found a way to break through, but this could be refuted, because the engine's play was too weak. Anyways. The key is the right way to make room for the attackers on the kingside. Later more, I hope. |
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Apr-29-14
 | | tamar: <DcGentle> Say more. What move did the opportunity happen on? |
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| Apr-29-14 | | solskytz: I had enough of these lazy GMs with their short draws - and without even trying. There's still so much play left in the position, with so many pieces and pawns on the board. I truly miss these great players who fight to bare kings. Sofia rules! |
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Apr-30-14
 | | HeMateMe: <<Pedro> Me too and I still have mine in the 'attaché case'> The last one I owned played at 2400 and killed me even when I lowered it's time to 5 seconds a move. |
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| Apr-30-14 | | 1971: Lame. |
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| Apr-30-14 | | DcGentle: Well, as promised, here there is the win for Black. When I accidentally found a break-through during the game, I noticed rather belatedly that <space on the kingside> was the key for success. For the first natural targets of Black are pawns e4 and e3, but in order to attack them successfully, all kingside pawns, the black ones and the one of White, are in the way. So I found these steps for the necessary plan:
1.) Trade all pawns on the kingside.
2.) Invade with the black pieces, but with the king.
3.) Invade with the black king.
Here there is the solution, starting from the position after move 46 of White. 
click for larger viewBlack to move.
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[Event " Gashimov Mem 2014, lines not played"]
[Site "Shamkir AZE"]
[Date "2014.04.29"]
[Round "9.2"]
[White "Radjabov, Teimour"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "C93"]
[WhiteElo "2713"]
[BlackElo "2881"]
[Annotator "DcGentle"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/3bkppn/3p1n1p/2pPp3/1pP1P3/1P2P2P/2B3PK/4BN2 b - - 0 46"] 46... g5 {<Carlsen played 46... Kf8, not realizing that control of h4 was necessary to gain space on the kingside.>} 47. Kg3 Nf8 48. Kf2 Ng6 49. Ke2 h5 50. Nh2 (50. g3 {<was possible in the game, but not here due to>} Bxh3 {<and Black will win easily.>}) 50... h4 {<guaranteeing a trade of pawns, making room for Black's pieces.>} 51. Nf3 g4 52. Nxh4 gxh3 53. gxh3 Bxh3 {<Now there is enough space for Black's pieces to invade the opponent's kingside. >} 54. Nf5+ Kd7 {<The king can stay behind for now.>} 55. Kf3 Bg4+ {<White's king has no chance to enhance Whites's defense.>} 56. Kg3 Ne7 57. Nh6 Bh5 {<defending f7.>} 58. Kg2 Ng4 {<forking h6 and e3.>} 59. Nxg4 Bxg4 {<forced.>} 60. Bh4 {<It's important to note that White's light squared bishop remains restricted.>} Ng8 61. Kf2 f6 {<keeping White's dark squared bishop under control. Both of White's bishops are helpless in this closed position.>} 62. Kg1 Ke7 {<Now Black's king will invade Black's camp, taking over the defense of f6 as first task.>} 63. Bg3 Kf7 64. Kh2 Kg6 65. Bh4 Nh6 66. Kg2 Bh5 {<clearing g4 for knight h6.>} 67. Kg1 Ng4 68. Bf2 {<forced.>} Kg5 69. Kf1 Nh2+ 70. Kg2 Nf3 {<Because the squares c3, d2, and e1 are controlled by Black now, White can only delay the move <Nd2>.>} 71. Kh3 {<preparing <... Bh4+>..>} Bg6 72. Bg3 Bh7 {<Only now, with g6 cleared for Black's kling, knight f3 can invade.>} 73. Bf2 Nd2 74. Bh4+ Kg6 {<and f6 remains covered.>} 75. Kg3 Kg7 {<and White can't defend e4 any longer.>} 76. Kf2 Bxe4 {<White's position is now crumbling.>} 77. Bd1 Bd3 78. Ke1 Nb1 79. Bg4 {<releasing the control of c2, but alternatives are not better.>} (79. Bf2 Kg6 80. Bh4 Kf5 81. Bf2
(81. Kf2 Nc3 82. Ke1 Ne4 83. Bf3 Bc2 84. Bxe4+ Kxe4 85. Bxf6 Bxb3 86. Be7 Kxe3 87. Bxd6 Kd4 {<and Black wins.>}) 81... Nc3 82. Bh4 Ne4 83. Bf3 Bc2 84. Bxe4+ Kxe4 85. Bxf6 Bxb3 86. Be7 Kxe3 87. Bxd6 Kd4 88. Be7 Bxc4 89. d6 Be6 {<and Black's pawns will win the day.>}) 79... Bc2 80. Bd1 Bxd1 81. Kxd1 Nc3+ 82. Kc1 Ne4 83. Kc2 Kg6 84. Kd3 Kf5 85. Be1 Ng5 86. Bd2 Kg4 87. Kc2 f5 88. Bc1 Kf3 89. Kd3 Nh3 {<This knight is dominating the position.>} 90. Kd2 Nf2 91. Bb2 Ng4 92. Ke1 e4 93. Kd1 Nxe3+ {<and White can resign.>} * ___________________________
You can copy & paste the above text into a PGN viewer like http://chesstempo.com/pgn-viewer-be... Ģ |
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Apr-30-14
| | tamar: Very interesting <DcGentle>, but what if White plays passively to thwart exchanging all K-side pawns? I haven't analyzed yet, but my initial plan as White after 46...g5 is 47 g3 to oppose any pawn break with a push past keeping the structure closed. |
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| Apr-30-14 | | DcGentle: <tamar>: Well, your objection is valid, nevertheless I believe that the plan is correct, but the introduction needs some improvement. For example how about something like this:
46... Ng5 47. Bh4 g6 48. Nd2 Ngh7 49. Be1 h5
The idea here is to render <g3> impossible for White, no matter what.
Black must be able to move g5 after h5, and then we can return to the mainline. |
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| May-01-14 | | DcGentle: It turns out that things are not easy here either, White can play <g3>, but after <... h4> followed by <g4> from White, Black can can sac a piece under certain circumstances. Further analysis is required. |
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| May-09-14 | | john barleycorn: <chris321> that is the seemingly endless story of the opening classification applied here. Allegedly, it is going to be fixed within this millenium. |
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May-09-14
 | | perfidious: This appears to be a simple failure to classify a live game immediately after its finish, unlike so many games which wind up stuck in the catchall (A1x) bin because they open 1.c4 and may take a roundabout route to queenside openings. Don't you dare mention what very often ensues after White essays 1.Nf3. |
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