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Veselin Topalov vs Fabiano Caruana
Sinquefield Cup (2014), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 1, Aug-27
English Opening: Symmetrical. Four Knights Variation (A35)  ·  0-1

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Aug-27-14  bennythejets: caruana may be a threat to magnus title...in my opinion..is age + is brilliant style and tactic..wow!!! one day wont be surprise if it happens!!
Aug-27-14  vkk: Caruana will be a threat as soon as he starts winning against nakamura
Aug-27-14
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  perfidious: <vkk: caruana putting the smack down on topalov's candy ass>

The above poster, wishing he were getting smacked.

Aug-27-14  Lupara: Right <vkk> because Nakamura has proved to be the foremost threat to Carlsen with his +0 -10 =15 record against Carlsen in classic games.
Aug-27-14  chesssalamander: 17.g4 seems like a strange move to me, weakening the king position.
Aug-28-14  vkk: <Lupara:>

according to wiki, naka has 2 wins and 7 draws against caruana.... its not as big as naka vs carlsen, but the fact that he hasn't beaten naka but has beaten carlsen is a little suspect.

Aug-28-14
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  perfidious: And a conspiracy has been unearthed....
Aug-28-14
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  pietah: I think the style of Caruana is better than Carlsen's. Nowadays it is hard to find a chessplayer with an attractive attacking style. Carlsen is a brilliant defenter, say a Karpov II. But chess needs attractive games. Ivanchuk can deliver. Caruana sometimes.
Aug-28-14  Absentee: <pietah: But chess needs attractive games.>

Why? And attractive how?

Aug-28-14  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 7 0-0 and 8 a3, 7 b3 begins the plan of Bb2, Rc1 and Na4 as in the game Flohr vs Rellstab, 1931

17 g4? is an attacking move in a position where Black seems to have the better of it instead of White. The attack is unsound then and can be forecast to fail. However which course should Black adopt then against it?

The American commentators at the tournament website - Seirawan or Ashley or both - had something useful to say on the subject of how to answer unsound attacks, more specifically, something like this: <If the attack does not work out Black begins to take over the position>

Aug-28-14  Jim Bartle: I don't see a whole lot of priase for Caruana here. To my admittedly weak eyes this looks like a brilliant game.
Aug-28-14  Jim Bartle: I don't see a whole lot of praise for Caruana here. To my admittedly weak eyes this looks like a brilliant game.
Aug-28-14  Lupara: <Jim Bartle> Your eyes are strong enough to recognize that Caruana did play a very good game against Topalov.
Aug-28-14  mrbasso: <Ulhumbrus>
17.g4 is not an attacking move. The idea was to transfer the bishop to g3 but it doesn't work, therefore it's a bad move.
Aug-28-14  Lupara: <vkk> Actually, Nakamura has a +3 -0 =12 record against Caruana in classical games.

But I still don't see the connection that you are trying to make regarding Caruana's record against Nakamura and his chances against Carlsen. I'm not sure what makes Cauana's current inability to beat Nakamura and his ability to beat Carlsen "suspect."

Under the theory/logic you are propounding, Caruana must also obtain victories over Peter Leko and Wang Hao too before he can be a threat to Carlsen or whoever. After all, Caruana's record in classical games against Leko is +0 -3 =7 and his record against Wang Hao is +0 -5 +3.

So, excuse me if I don't follow your reasoning and logic.

Aug-28-14  mkrk17: This topalov guy still playing chess ? i thought he changed professions long time back, after getting whipped by everyone.
Aug-31-14  bennythejets: just....WOW!!!!!!!
Sep-01-14  wierba: 28 ... Qh3 ???????? maybe im blind???
Sep-01-14  GrandMaesterPycelle: I like insightful comments like the one by mkrk17. They explode in the poster's face so quickly you don't even have time to start an argument.
Sep-02-14  Mottian: 28...Qh3 29.Bg1. Instead 31.Bg1 doesn't work because of 31...Bxh2 32.Bxh2 Rxe2
Sep-07-14
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  maxi: <GrandMaesterPycelle> Yes, partly because one is still wiping his face in disgust.
Feb-17-15  Ulhumbrus: This game may indicate some answers to the question: What does one do against the move g4 if it is unsound?

The moves 17...Be8 and 18...b5 indicate one answer: prepare to occupy the weakened h2-b8 diagonal with the king's bishop. The move 17...Be8 clears the d file and uncovers an attack from the queen on d6 and 18...b5 displaces the N on c4 which covers the square d6.

19...Bd6 indicates a second answer: Occupy the weakened h2-b8 diagonal with the king's bishop

The advance 23...Nd4 indicates a third answer: attack a piece defended by the g4 pawn.

The capture 25...Nxf5 indicates a fourth answer: capture the piece defended by the g4 pawn and so displace the g4 pawn to f5, removing White's king's pawn cover on the g file

26...Qd4 indicates a fifth answer: occupy the centre on the way to invading the g file

The check 27...Qg4+ indicates a sixth answer: occupy the g file uncovered by gxf5

28...c4 suggests a seventh answer: open lines

30...Qh5 suggests an eighth answer: assist the attack on the h2-b8 diagonal by using the h file

34...Bb2 suggests a paradoxical ninth answer: remove the bishop from the h2-b8 diagonal but uncover an attack on the e file.

Thus Caruana's win indicates nine answers to the question of what one does against g4 if it is unsound.

Feb-17-15  MarkFinan: Great game, I had to go through it a few times to get the gist of it, but is the final position really resignable?? I've seen Carlsen soldier on when an engine had him minus 10, but he still won .
May-27-17  Saniyat24: Superb display by both players...Caruana has in him that flavor that 1850-1900's Masters had...he consolidates his position in the opening, plays attacking middle game and looks for better position and initiative...here Topalov is absolutely cornered in the end. Caruana's 6...Nc7 came as a surprising move for me, as it is not very common. If Topalov is a sportsman than he would surely acknowledge that Caruana's brilliant play gave Caruana the edge over him.
Jul-02-19  BxChess: Spot an aura -Caruana tops
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